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Posted: February 09 2008 at 6:43pm | IP Logged Quote hedgehorn

I posted a similar message over in the leverguns section of C/B. I am using a 350LFPGC Ranch Dog bullet in my Marlin XLR. What would be a good starting point and a Max with IMR 4198? His site shows loads that are quite a bit higher than published loads but it seems like I have heard that you can run pressures similar to the 450 Marlin in this rifle.

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Posted: February 09 2008 at 9:38pm | IP Logged Quote Rigmarol

I don't have a load for you, but you might want to mention what you want to do with your load. Hunting?, targets, Long Range shooting, steel?, Elephants? Chances are good someone around here is doing the same job and has a great load data suggestion for you.

I shoot 45-70 but out of a single shot rifle. I hope you find what you want.

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Posted: February 09 2008 at 9:43pm | IP Logged Quote hedgehorn

Thanks Rig. I loaded a half dozen with 47 grains of IMR4198. I am now a little nervous and wonder if I should pull them. I dont know why the same rifle would handle more pressure with the 450 Marlin round.

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Posted: February 10 2008 at 8:26am | IP Logged Quote stuffit

hedgehorn,
47 grs is probably safe albeit close to your max. It's gonna kick the living hell out of you. Might I suggest you try 40 grs for close to 1700 fps and work up or down from that level?   

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Posted: February 10 2008 at 8:38am | IP Logged Quote hedgehorn

Thanks Stuffit. I am going to loads a few at 40 grains as you suggest. I looked at Hodgdons site and that was a starting load with a jacketed bullet. I guess that the cast bullet increases pressure quite a bit? Here is the info off of the Hodgdon/IMR site.
350 GR. HDY JRN   350   IMR  &nb sp;4198 .458"   2.540" 47.0   2032   32,500 CUP        50.0   2131   36,600 CUP

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Posted: February 10 2008 at 8:48am | IP Logged Quote stuffit

Not looking at that web site now but actually, in general, a cast bullet of equal wt is always safe in a published load for a jacketed bullet because of the lower friction coefficient of the lead (slides easier on the steel of the barrel).   I'm just going from some loads I've seen on loaddata.com (a pay site and worth it) and here on handloads.   

The .45-70 and the .450 Marlin are ballistic twins and if anyone can find a load that one shoots safely and isn't safe in the other in the same firearm design, I wish they'd tell me. I don't think there are any. Most everything about them is the same except for the belt on the .450 Marlin. We have both and I've always interchanged the loads for them as equivalent and it's always proven to be true.

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Posted: February 10 2008 at 9:50am | IP Logged Quote hedgehorn

I have read that full house loads with 4198 are less than comfortable to shoot. I have used 4198 wit lazer cast boolits before but never this particular load.   

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Posted: February 10 2008 at 1:19pm | IP Logged Quote hedgehorn

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   Would you use a magnum primer with 40 grains of IMR4198?

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Posted: February 10 2008 at 3:37pm | IP Logged Quote stuffit

I don't think you'd need one for the IMR-4198.   It should give good performance with any Large Rifle Primer.

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Posted: February 10 2008 at 6:00pm | IP Logged Quote davemuzz

HH,

You just may want to check the directions at webmd.com on how to put the ball of your upper arm back into the socket of your shoulder.

I shoot the Cast Performance 405 grain from my Marlin 45-70 XLR over 55 grains of Varget. I don't think it's the hardest kicking load you can find....but it's all I really want.

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Posted: February 10 2008 at 7:48pm | IP Logged Quote hedgehorn

LOL. Thanks Dave, Thats what I have been finding out here. I pulled the few that I had loaded that hot and I am contemplating 38-40 grains. I have cast some of the 350 Ranch Dog boolits and a fellow caster here from the board sent me some of the hammer as well. I have other powders like H335 and BLC2. I see allot of folks shoot unique as well. I don't. I usually load universal in my 45acp as well as true blue and power pistol. I don't really want to tear a shoulder off I was just looking at the loads on the Hodgdon site and thought it would be a good place to start. I wonder if I will be ok without a filler reducing the loads?

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Posted: February 10 2008 at 8:09pm | IP Logged Quote stuffit

No filler needed or desirable with the IMR-4198


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Posted: February 10 2008 at 8:14pm | IP Logged Quote hedgehorn

Thanks Stuffit. I am so glad to have a great board like this to answer questions on hand loading. I am learning more everyday and there is no substitute for advice based on experience.


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