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Posted: May 23 2009 at 4:38am | IP Logged Quote casca1

would like info on the .22 bator

would like to use in my encore .223 and 223 handi rifles

loads & opinions welcome

thanks
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Posted: May 23 2009 at 3:58pm | IP Logged Quote One Bullet Dan

Got two on order from Midsouth. I was told to expect `em around Christmas! Lee`s got a big back order.

Go to their sight and click on custom moulds. When the 22 Bator comes up click on it and it will show you the specs.

Check out a copy of Lyman`s cast bullet handbook. It`s got a lot of good info.

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Posted: May 29 2009 at 9:35am | IP Logged Quote drinks

I have the mold, I use it at 2200-2300fps and get decent accuracy, 1 1/2" or less at 50 yds with a 1.5x scope in my 1/9 twist Handi.
I have not tried a 1/12 twist barrel to see if it would be better, would like to hear from someone who has, would really like to find a used barrel and be able to do my own tests.
Anyone have a 1/12 twist barrel they want to get rid of, .223, of course?

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Posted: May 29 2009 at 10:44am | IP Logged Quote One Bullet Dan

I have a 12" twist on a Remington 700 and an SP1, which was why I bought the moulds. If they ever get here, I plan on either milling the base down on one so as to have a plain base or just drilling out the gas check band to achieve the same. The other I`ll use as is with GC`s.
I wanted a round that I could load down to 22LR and 22Mag ballistics. I figure if I keep `em around 1100-1200 fps with WW`s, leading shouldn`t be a problem.

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Posted: May 30 2009 at 9:46am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

What is a ".22 BATOR"? I'm not familiar with it.

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richhodg66 wrote:
What is a ".22 BATOR"? I'm not familiar with it.


MidSouth has been persuaded to make several of the group buy bullet designs available on a continuing basis. I believe the .22 BATOR was one of Oldfeller's designs. Basically, MidSouth takes orders for certain proven custom designs. When they have enough orders to make it worth their while, they order a custom run from Lee. When the order is delivered, they fill the backorders and sell the extras.

The system worked fairly well until the current panic. Lee had a 2-3 month delivery time so if you missed one order, you could still pretty much count on getting a mould within six months. Lee's delivery time is now up to a year, and the last batch of .22 BATORs was only about a month ago. Demand is such that the extras from that order went within days.

You can see the design drawings on MidSouth's website, but basically it's a straightforward 55 grain GC for .22 centerfires. The reports I've heard say that it can be pushed hard enough to function most rattleguns with reasonable accuracy, and is a reloadable alternative to the .22 Mag in bolts and single shots. Should make a decent turkey load in states that allow hunting turkeys with centerfire rifle.

btw, the Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook is too reliant on fast pistol powders for my taste. Its data is 40 years old and we've learned that slower powders can give a better accuracy/velocity combination in cast bullet loads for rifles.
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Posted: May 30 2009 at 11:02am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

OK, I found a picture of the Lee bullet, like you said, looks pretty straightforward. What's special about it?

Also, where does the name "BATOR" come from? This is new to me.

My dad used to cast for .22 centerfires, always seemed a waste of time to me, but I've heard some guys say they get the best accuracy out of the .22 Hornet with cast.

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Posted: May 30 2009 at 11:27am | IP Logged Quote One Bullet Dan

Only thing "special" about it is the fact it cost $18.08 for a two cavity mould. You can`t buy the handles for a Lyman or RCBS that cheap!

Only bad thing about the slower powders is that it`s hard to work up a squib load with `em. I use the slow stuff for jacketed bullets, and the fast stuff for lead plinkers. A little bit goes a long way.

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Posted: May 30 2009 at 2:40pm | IP Logged Quote Leftoverdj

Dan, I was not clear enough. Were I trying for a .22 lr load in a .223 case, I'd use a fast pistol powder. Were I trying to push a cast bullet past 2000 fps in the same case, I'd use a rifle powder to get higher velocity at lower pressure. Waterquenched WW will take about 30k psi, and that's enough to get a good burn with powders such as 4198, H-322, 3031, etc.

I did check my LCBH and see they have two such loads for a 54 grain cast in .223. They also have an H-110 load that I would not shoot in your rifle. The starting loads for SR-4759 and WW 748 look sensible but, it would amaze me if the top loads for those powders will stay in a foot at 100 yards.
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Posted: May 31 2009 at 10:06am | IP Logged Quote woody1

[QUOTE=richhodg66]
Also, where does the name "BATOR" come from? This is new to me.
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The 22 Bator was designed by Wally Bator over at Cast Boolits quite a few years ago. Mebe even before it was Cast Boolits, I disremember. I have one and it's just a good 22 game bullet with lotsa bearing surface. Regards, Woody

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Posted: May 31 2009 at 2:05pm | IP Logged Quote WiskyT

"The 22 Bator was designed by Wally Bator "

That had to be a hard name to grow up with.

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