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Posted: September 13 2009 at 4:34am | IP Logged Quote wolfdog

Hey all. I am trying to get into the muzzle loading thing. I don't need to be traditional, to be honest I just want an excuse to throw 45 cal bullets down range and shoot deer and such with an inexpensive rifle. Also I did a 450 marlin for a while, and though fun, I found that inexpensive cast bullets are overly hard and tend to lead. Now my thinking is that with a muzzle loader I can play with some of the localy available .458 hard cast bullets in a sabot, and still shoot the jacketed hornady as well. Those 350grn FP should expand just fine on deer sized game at ML velocities. So my question is, besides the rifle (thinking a cva wolf to start with) bulltes, sabots powder, what else is a "must" for shooting?
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Posted: September 13 2009 at 8:47am | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

One of the reasons I got my Wolf was the 209 primer that I have thousands of. I also had a .495" RB mould and knew I could use sabots for .45 caliber bullets.

The .495" ball is real tight with normal patching material, but it worked fine in another sidelock CVA we have. I'll try a .490" ball when it gets here.

For round ball use, I prefer the .50 caliber just because of greater weight compared to a .45 caliber.

As far as a "must have", I think a bullet starter is really necessary, especially if it's a tight patch. The Wolf ram rod telescopes to make it long enough to work right and that doesn't give enough strength to start tight patches.
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Posted: September 13 2009 at 8:51am | IP Logged Quote wolfdog

what about bore butter, cleaning supplies etc? I read about something having to do with soap and water, but another site mentioned having to break crud up in the breech area? I was thinking 50 cal and shoot saboted slugs meant for the 45-70 etc. I was thinking what a fun way to use those overly hard cast, cheap, poorly lubed bullets they always have for sale here. I can get 250 .458 cal bullets for about 20 dollars. In a sabot all those negatives are unimportant, and I can use hornady 350grn ft bullets for deer..idk, the idea of this cva wolf is appealing but I'm worried I'm missing cost of various accoutriments.
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Posted: September 13 2009 at 9:22am | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

My Wolf (I got it from Graf's for about $160) doesn't like sabots too much. They seem to be too tight, but I may have a real tight bore. The sabot is intended for a .452" bullet, not a .458" bullet. Using the .45-70 bullet may make it too tight too.

The sabots work good in the side lock CVA, but it seems to be a little looser bore.

Patch lube may be a good idea to help seat the bullets and to help keep the crud softer. Of course, with the Wolf the breech plug comes out easily, for cleaning, with a 12mm wrench. It's only supposed to be hand tight anyway.

I carry a Craftsman pocket screwdriver almost all the time, so a stubborn 209 can be pried out with that ever present tool.
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Posted: September 13 2009 at 9:29am | IP Logged Quote wolfdog

hm..my reading has indicated that there are two size sabots available for 50 cal muzzle loaders, one for .452 bullets and one for .458.
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Posted: September 13 2009 at 10:20am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

If you shoot Hogdon 777, it's not corrosive. Pyrodex RS works well in my Hawken.

My advice is to get a good ball starter and a strong ram rod for range use. The ones that come on rifles for carrying afield aren't the best. I also have a small funnel I carry, and you should get a few of the little flip top tubes for carrying pre-measured charges if you hunt with it.

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