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Posted: July 15 2010 at 4:27pm | IP Logged Quote msta999

I just picked up a Ruger M77 for my son and see I can use one of two powders I already have. I can use the 3031 for 150 (lighter) gr bullets or H4831 for heavier (180 gr) bullets. I'm thinking for deer, 150 gr will work. Wanted to know what others are using, before I start loading for this one. Is this a good candidate for a boat tail bullet?
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Posted: July 15 2010 at 4:30pm | IP Logged Quote msta999

Forgot, I also have RL-19 powder.
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Posted: July 15 2010 at 4:57pm | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

Welcome to the forum msta999!

You didn't say how old your son is, which might make a difference on the recoil generated by your load.

However, I'll go out on a limb and say there really isn't much need in a heavier bullet than 150 gr for deer. You can also use military pull down bullets, that are about the same weight, for practice and acclimation to the recoil.

Boat tail bullets are good at longer ranges, but don't serve much usefulness at normal hunting ranges.

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Posted: July 15 2010 at 5:36pm | IP Logged Quote msta999

Thanks Paul,

my son is 15 and has shot my 300 Weatherby without any problem, but wanted something smaller for him. I was surprised to see I could use H4831 powder with this rifle, since it is not a magnum. I am leaning towards the IMR 3031 with the 150 gr bullet.
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Posted: July 15 2010 at 5:46pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

I would think that IMR 3031 would give a 150gr. bullet all the velocity it needs for most deer hunting conditions. It would also use a bit less powder per charge and thus be a wee bit cheaper to shoot.

I have used lots of Reloder 15 for some of my heavier 6.5mm bullets, and I think your Reloder 19 might work okay for your heavier .30cal. bullet needs.

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Posted: July 15 2010 at 6:45pm | IP Logged Quote msta999

Thanks,
I have just checked my bullets, I have quite a few different .30 cal bullets. I think I'm going to go with the Hornady 150 gr BTSP.
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Posted: July 15 2010 at 7:21pm | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

Hodgdon used a Nosler Ballistic tip on this load, but it would be pretty close to what you're looking for.

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150 GR. NOS BT        IMR & nbsp;      IMR  &nbs p;3031        .308"&nb sp;       3.250" &nb sp;      43.0    ;     2697    & nbsp;   47,600 PSI        46.7  ;       2887  & nbsp;     59,300 PSI


Alliant says this about RL19
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Winchester       3.25&nbs p;      22   &n bsp;   CCI 200       Reloder 19       62  &n bsp;    2,722


That's 150 fps less for 16 grains more powder.

Some data includes a bunch of extra garbage when they're copied and pasted. It makes it harder to read, but the OAL and powder weigth it there.

Alliant used 62 gr of powder at 3.25" OAL out of a 22" barrel.

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Posted: July 15 2010 at 7:33pm | IP Logged Quote Mr. 16 gauge

I've used IMR3031 & 150 grain bullets (and lighter) in my Interarms Mark X mauser.....IIRC, the loads were pretty accurate. I have never used H4831, so I can't comment on that one.

....my favorite powders, however, for the .30-06 and 150 grain bullets are H414 and IMR 4350.
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Posted: July 15 2010 at 7:43pm | IP Logged Quote msta999

That is about what I came up with. When I get some brass, I'll make some 150 gr btsp using IMR 3031 (45 gr) and see how it does.
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Posted: July 15 2010 at 7:47pm | IP Logged Quote STCM(SW)

I use IMR4350 with good results so far.

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Posted: July 15 2010 at 9:59pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

Sierra bullet data: .30-06
H4831 really shines and is their recommended hunting load as well as the most accurate load when used with their 220gr. bullets. They recommended 53.6gr for the most accurate at 2,400fps and 55.7gr. for the hunting load at 2,500fps.

Sierra bullet data: .30-06
Reloder 19 was found to be the most accurate powder for their 200gr. bullet with 51.1gr. for 2,500fps.

For most bullets weighing less, Sierra found it hard to beat IMR 4350. Their 180gr. done well with 56.0gr. for around 2,800fps., a recommended hunting load. Their 165gr. hunting load was also with IMR 4350 at 56.5gr. at around 2,800fps.

Although Sierra's most accurate powder for the 165gr. as well as the 150gr. was IMR-4064, they found that Reloder 19 was their recommended 150gr. powder for it's recommended hunting load, but like Paul stated, it uses a lot of powder at Sierra's recommended 61.0gr. for around 3,000fps. Their max. load for their 150gr. bullet using IMR 3031 was 49.5gr. that traveled about 2,900fps.

I am not certain what length barrel Sierra used for their latest .30-06 data, but my old manual shows them using a 26" universal receiver for their older tests. I wrote Sierra's recent recommended most accurate and their recommended hunting loadings into my old 1978 Sierra Manual, and I do not know if they changed barrel lengths for the new data results. But I would doubt that most hunting length rifles will get the velocities that their tests indicate.



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Posted: July 15 2010 at 10:35pm | IP Logged Quote msta999

Thanks for the info. I may load a few with RL-19 to take with, just to use it up and see how it does compared to the 3031.
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Posted: July 18 2010 at 11:17am | IP Logged Quote Ronnieboy

i loaded some 30-30 150 round nose hornady bullets in my 06 for a couple neighbor girls to deer hunt with. i use 42 grains of imr 3031 and cci200 for 2400 fps and light recoil. 30-30's been killin deer for ages. now they can be shot with my 700 mountain rifle. Accurate to. easy on brass and fun to shoot.    ron

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Posted: July 18 2010 at 11:33am | IP Logged Quote msta999

Thanks, the more info the better. More options.

I just picked up dies yesterday and should be getting some brass today or tomorrow.

Hope this isn't all for nothing! My son told me he didn't want to go hunting this year...got a couple months to go yet, hopefully I can change his mind. Can't hardly get him to go shooting with me. I know it is not for everyone, but I want him to know how. You never know, he may "need" to know how later on in life.
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Posted: July 18 2010 at 8:15pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

Even a grown up can be discouraged from shooting if recoil and the noise is intimidating to them. Be certain to use a good shoulder pad to absorb a little of the recoil and wear good quality ear and eye protection.

A little session of shooting tin cans with a .22 before and maybe even after shooting the big rifles should help keep a 15 years old's attention. Got to have a little fun.

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Posted: July 18 2010 at 8:29pm | IP Logged Quote msta999

Good idea, I never thought about that. I have never taken him out to shoot the 22's, just shotgun and deer rifles. I know he did complain about the shot gun hurting his sholder once,but then he never really complains, so I consider it an issue. I did buy a thick rubber pad, but haven't taken him out since, because he says he doesn't want to go. I'll have to get him out there and again.
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The nice thing about the 06 is it's not all that finicky about powder.
I've used both 3031 and 4831 , but have come to prefer 4895 and h414..

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Hodgdon published a nice little article about using their H4350 for the .30-06, several years ago. I've been using it pretty much exclusively for several years now, and it's great at both the lighter & heavier bullets.

BTW - you can do 90% of what a .30-06 needs to do with a single 165 grain load, perhaps changing to a "premium" bullet such as a Nosler Partition, when going after heavier game like elk.

Although I've used bullets from 110 - 220 grains from my good old '06, my 165 load w/H4350 has become my standard load. I never have to re-zero the rifle or anything. It's always sighted in dead on at 200 yards.

With the younger shooters, I like your idea though of starting with the 150's - and Hodgdon has even published some reduced loads specifically for new shooters & deer hunting. Good stuff.

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Posted: July 19 2010 at 9:24am | IP Logged Quote Boomer

msta999 wrote:
I did buy a thick rubber pad, but haven't taken him out since, because he says he doesn't want to go. I'll have to get him out there and again.


Not a good sign. That shotgun musta hurt more than he let on. Know anyone with a .257 roberts, 6.5 or 7mm they'd be willing to let him borrow?

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msta999 - one of my sons hunts, the other doesn't. Both like to shoot. Funny, the oldest son doesn't hunt, but he sure loves venison! He's even met me in the field to quarter and pack out a big mule deer.

He's got three rifles; a .22, .223 & .308 - so if he ever wants to take up hunting, he's got the rifle.

The youngest lad on the other hand is quite a hunter...

Make it fun for him to shoot, and he'll practice more. I kept my range sessions with the boys relatively short. Mostly we shot .22's and reactive targets. We'd shoot some light recoiling center fire loads as well.

They're both pretty good marksmen. Don't force it, let it come. Make it fun for him, and make sure the rifle fits well and isn't beating the tar out of him.

My youngest hunter started with a .22 and graduated to a light kicking 6mm Rem (a .243 is about the same thing) with a cushy recoil pad. He shoots pretty well these days, but leaves my big boomers alone.

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