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Posted: March 23 2005 at 6:17pm | IP Logged Quote J Miller

Well, got me some of that AA5744 I asked about a week or so ago and got the brass all prepared and primed. Gonna load them tomorrow. Then hopefully to the range before the end of the week.

Ranch13, got yours loaded yet?

gstanfield, you'd like this stuff. It looks and smells like IMR extruded.


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Posted: March 23 2005 at 7:42pm | IP Logged Quote slangley

I'm using this with 405lfp in 45-70, what are you using it for? Sean
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Posted: March 23 2005 at 8:45pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

No Joe I haven't loaded any in the foal. I did run some in the wws 357 and it shot almost as good of groups as unigue. I believe the stuff has possibilities.

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Posted: March 24 2005 at 2:44am | IP Logged Quote J Miller

slangley,
I'm using it in the .45 Colt for right now. Maybe others later.

Ranch13,
Possibilities yes. I'm just hoping to find some data other than what's in the AA booklet.   I'm not much for extrapolating.

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Posted: March 24 2005 at 5:56am | IP Logged Quote slangley

I've been meaning to try it in the colt also, what type/speed are you running? Sean
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 6:24am | IP Logged Quote J Miller

Sean,

The load in the book is for a 250 or 255gr, can't remember which lead SWC over 17.8grs of 5744. AA says this is 860fps from their 7" test barrel. Might get 800 to 825 from a real 7.5" revolver.
That's why I am trying to find some additional data to compare the factory's data to.

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Posted: March 24 2005 at 8:46am | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Joe as near as I can tell 5744 is just a tad slower than 2400 according to the burn rate charts, and comparing 5744 load data and 2400 data that seems to bear out.

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Posted: March 24 2005 at 2:54pm | IP Logged Quote J Miller

OkieDokie, I got 100 nice shiny clean cases loaded up with that expensive to use AA5744 powder. This stuff better hang the moon. If it don't I've just wasted 20 bucks.
This is the most powder I've ever used per cartridge for standard pressure/velocity loads.
Well, I knew that before I bought it. This is just a test to see if a fuller case of powder is more, less, or the same accurate as say a charge of Unique or 231.

Not only that but I bought a 100 CCI #300 LP primers to use. Just becasue the AA book called for them. Wow, I'm getting soft headed or something.

I'll let you know how this load works.

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Posted: March 24 2005 at 4:00pm | IP Logged Quote larrys

A web search on AA5744 shows loads for 45 colt. they may be from the aa manual.// but does discuss the barrel up and barrel down velocity.   I haven't used 5744 for handgun but used several pounds for the 308 cast for bolt and m1a loads Mine is the older 5744 and does not have the xmr logo.
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 4:08pm | IP Logged Quote 45 2.1

Joe-
I don't think you'll like AA5744. It never gave me the accuracy I wan't in several calibers I tried.
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 4:32pm | IP Logged Quote J Miller

45 2.1,

I've heard that from a couple of people since I started talking about trying some. I just thought I'd give it a try for the heck of it.
We shall see. At the cost per round if it doesn't work real good, I'll not try any more.

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Posted: March 24 2005 at 5:32pm | IP Logged Quote txpete

I have been using AA5744 for years and accuracy has been excellent.
it gave the tightest groups in my 45/70 and tried alot of different powders.
I used it in my 44-40,30-30,30-06,308 and 7.62X54R with cast loads.one draw back in 44-40 pistol loads it does leave alot of unburnt powder in the short barrel.
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Posted: March 24 2005 at 6:05pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Joe
I like the stuff and use a lot of it. In my Ruger #1 a crimp, which shouldn't be needed in a single shot, gave a much cleaner burn in .45/70. The only handgun's I've used it in so far are .44 Mag and .500 S&W. Now you folks have me wanting to try it in the .45 Colt- sure has enough case capacity.
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Posted: March 28 2005 at 11:34am | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Joe I fiddled with the 5744 abit in the trapper, I got up to 20 grs and groups tightened up pretty good. I then run some over the chrony. With the 250 gr bb swc from magnus, ww cases, wlp, 5 shots averaged 1210fps.

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Posted: March 28 2005 at 1:58pm | IP Logged Quote J Miller

Ranch13,

Well, mine won't be anywere near that fast. I'm only loading 17.8 grs per the AA book. Couldn't find any other data.

Haven't been to the range yet, hopefully tomorrow.

Did you try it from a wheel gun?

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Posted: March 28 2005 at 2:20pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

No I haven't tried that in the blackhawk yet. I'ld guess them to do around 900-950 judingig from pryor experiments with h110. starting to get busier here and play time will be limited for a while.
I do want to chrony the 4198 load tho and see what that does from the trapper.

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Posted: March 30 2005 at 3:58pm | IP Logged Quote J Miller

Got the range today and tried out the AA5744 from my .45 Colts. I only shot a couple groups from my revolvers but it seems to shoot real well.
The load was straight from the AA pamphlet: Win Case, CCI 300 LP primer, 17.8grs AA5744, and a 255gr SWC. Both guns put the groups into a large ragged hole. I've got 82 rounds left of my first 100 so next range trip I'll sit down at the bench and run the targets out to 25 yards. That will be a better test. I'll take the Trapper too.

Ranch,
When you shot the AA5744 in your Trapper did you get a lot of unburned powder? I did from the Smith, a bunch of the powder kernals got under the extractor and tied it up pretty good. The Ruger didn't seem to have as much unburned powder left behind.

At any rate, so far so good. At least I'm not disapointed because I can't hit anything with it.


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Posted: March 30 2005 at 4:44pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

No unburned kernels from the trapper, I do get some in the 45-70 and 405, but I don't use any crimp with lead bullets in either of those.

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