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Posted: May 27 2006 at 10:15pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Shot a 610 grain hollowpoint Dixie hard
slug into 6 gallon sealed pail of water.
Going 2800 fps, and real big hollowpoint.
First pic is pail with crimped on top.
Pail full and has filler spout capped.
Second pic,impact with water atomising,
and pail blowing apart.In the next small
fraction of a second is third after impact
with shelf cleared, the hyrostatic pressure
down, has bent top of steel frame shelf.
Same blast put jug pieces all over.
Got to get a 15 gallon one. Behind
you see my wood bundle backstop...Ed







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Posted: May 30 2006 at 4:25pm | IP Logged Quote Nortonics

Damn - that takes varminting to whole new level!   

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Posted: May 30 2006 at 9:55pm | IP Logged Quote dison

Wheres Big Mourty at??? That might just retire his 30-06 from squill huntin' duties.
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Posted: May 31 2006 at 6:46am | IP Logged Quote hubel458

We haven't seen Big Mortie over on AR in over
year, but we know he'd like it. Ed.
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Posted: June 25 2006 at 11:32pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

I picked up a 12ga NEF Ultra Slug gun.
With 24 inch shorty barrel.
Added weight and thumbhole stock.
Gun weighted to 15 lbs so
far. I got 600gr hard slug to
1650-1700 so far, and shoots easy.
Got 1 1/2 inch thick pad.Working up different
loads.Should get over 2000.
Cases eject easy,no resizing needed
on bottom half of case,action opens easy,
no evidence of binding.Started case 3.2 inch,
settled on case length of 3.15-- Chamber being
full size max 12ga size expands top half of case
more than my minimum chamber in Savage does,
so little more effort needed to size.Our case, though many times stronger than regular
12ga cases is thinner at mouth, so that is
why I used tight chamber on Savage.Still
can't get used to mickey mouse short barrel.
Anyone know of a genius who could
make long alloy barrel with pivot mounted?
Cases can be 3 inches on up to
our length, and work.Ed


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Posted: July 01 2006 at 7:48pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

We got 600 gr slug to 2000 fps in NEF.Used ball
powder load. Case length of maximum 3.07 works.
Can use our case shorter, but load developement harder.
Anyone using our style case should also put in adapter
for shotgun primer. Save a lot of work
beefing up hammer speed and strength.Ed
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Posted: July 09 2006 at 6:30am | IP Logged Quote Tailgunner

Hi Ed
Just a FYI, Ed's Savage is fairly mild to shoot. My 5'8 185lb butt was able to control it (Ed reported that the muzzle only came up about 6-8" when I fired it), and no, it didn't knock me over or even push me backwards.
I must say however, that the fireball is most impressive, some 9-10 FEET in diameter (bottom of fireball was about a foot off the ground, while firing the rifle from the shoulder).
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Posted: July 12 2006 at 11:47pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Being some guns need to much work
to fire bmg primers, it easier to
do the following with adapter bushings.
Here is picture of cases for primer
comparisons.1st is regular bmg
primer. 2nd is adapted to a shotgun primer.
3rd is adapted to large rifle primer.
Of the 2 adaptations, large rifle is
easier to do, just ream out pocket, thread in adapter, but adapting shotgun primer
you have to deepen the original primer
pocket a little, then thread and screw in
a bushing.These two primers give about
100 fps less than bmg primer.Ed.

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Posted: July 21 2006 at 8:36pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Testing stick powders in NEF, short version of our
case. Shortened case to 3.07 inches.
Using 600 gr hardened slugs. Got 1700 fps
with 215 gr of RL-25. Cases eject easy.Gun roars,
but is working good... Still tight.Ed
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Posted: August 03 2006 at 7:07pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

We are having a group buy of 1000 gr soft jacketed
bullets for 12ga from Hawk. $2.10 each.Contact
me for details.Need order of 1000 total for them to
make dies and start.Got commitment for 400
already.Let me know if interested.We are getting a
replica 1887 12 ga lever gun. Strong forged modern steel
able to take higher pressures.Ed.

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Posted: August 05 2006 at 6:36pm | IP Logged Quote 500MagMan

Oki did some figering and i dont know the diamiter so I figerd on .72 calliber and cam up with somthing cool with the 870gr Hard cast slug traviling at 2300fps you would have 10,217 FTLBS of KE and a momentum of 285 and a tayler KO of 205....

A 600 Nitro Express has a tayler KO of 168

Who is up for a Blue Whale hunt ????

"How much dose it cost to mount a Whale any one know"
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Posted: August 05 2006 at 7:06pm | IP Logged Quote 500MagMan

some other tid bits of info for you

the .577 Tyrannosaur
900gr bullet going 2202fps has a KE of 9,688 and a Momentum of 283 and a TKO of 163

750gr bullet going 2608fps has a KE of 11,325 and a Momentum of 279 and a TKO of 161

the .600 Nitro Express
900gr bullet going 2295fps has a KE of 10,523 and a Momentum of 295 and a TKO of 177

the .700 Nitro Express
1000gr bullet going 2442fps has a KE of 13,239 and a Momentum of 348 and a TKO of 244

100gr bullet going 2547fps has a KE of 14,402 and a Momentum 363 and a TKO of 254.......But it keeps blowing the primers out

Where is Doc Brown in that time machine he made from a Dalorion I would like to take a .700 Nitro Express and try and get me a Boone And Crocket T-Rex and Brontasoures.............

The 12GA from Hell With its 870gr load is right between the .600 Nitro and .700 Nitro so it realy is............

               "SOMETHING FROM HELL"


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Posted: August 08 2006 at 6:45pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

500MagMan-And my final top load in Savage is
730 gr at 2900 fps. 40k psi load, cases extract easy in Savage which has no primary cammed extraction aid. Caliber for our 12ga barrels is .729.
That should out do all of the above at proper
non-primer blowing pressures.Ed.
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Posted: August 08 2006 at 7:44pm | IP Logged Quote Rigmarol

Just out of curiosity and I'm not trying to be a smart a$$ here, but at what piont do you call it an artillery piece and stop calling it a rifle? When you put wheels on it?

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Posted: August 08 2006 at 8:32pm | IP Logged Quote 500MagMan

ok with your new data you have a 13,629 FTlbs of KE a Momentum of 302 and a TKO of 220

You have passed the power of a .600 Nitro, So what do plan on using this "Beast" for any way.....

I wouldt mind bilding the shorter version in the NEF but man no way do I want to mess with the Big Brother......
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Posted: August 08 2006 at 9:49pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Rigmarol-Wheels only when a cartridge gun gets to
heavy to carry, like maybe a 1 bore.
500MagMan-Actually the igger heavier Savage shoots easier, more comfortable than NEF. And it
has twice the energy.You can't beat a heavy barreled,
properly balance bolt action with straight
heavy wide stock for
big guns.Ed
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Posted: August 13 2006 at 9:47pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

We got recoil now-Got a 1050 gr
Bridger over 2200 fps in the Savage.
I took the hollow base 750 gr Bridgers
made for me, and wedged in .500 caliber
slugs(I took out of 12ga sabot)in the base.
Added 300 gr. I was going to melt lead and put in,
but this was easier about 5 seconds,
after 15 seconds shortening nose on grinder
of .500 slug.Ed
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 6:38pm | IP Logged Quote 500MagMan

ok with that load you have 11,282ftlbs of KE and a Momentum of 330 and a TKO of 240

Getting close to that .700 Nitro
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Posted: August 14 2006 at 8:33pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

500MagMan-Actually it is much better than the factory
700NE loads, which are about 2000 fps.And most
700NE reloaders do less than that.
Yesterday I shot just one at 2400. I had to try one,
and with heavy gun wasn't bad, but only one as
I want to keep regular shooting loads in
Savage below 35,000 psi. I am going to have thickwall
reciever made in future to put Savage 3 lug bolt and bolt carrier in, to go high pressures.Then I can get
870 gr slugs up to 3000, and 1050 to 2800 plus..Ed.
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Posted: August 15 2006 at 6:50pm | IP Logged Quote 500MagMan

I was looking at a Savige model 212 with a 24" barrle and I am planing on getting it and want make the 3.07" verson may need to get some more info from you on hon to make the cases........
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