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Posted: 19 December 2014 at 9:19pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Guys asking about using 585 CEB bullet in our 12ga super
sabot. Here is picture, We just took off the bottom band and couple
middle bands on the CEB and it fit perfect in our 12ga sabot,
which uses .575" slugs. Hollowpoint one pictured 700gr in the
sabot loaded in brass case. Can be used in plastic case with a
special made hollowed out long roll crimper.



Getting some more interest in our 585HE.
An application for our 585 HE is for guys with old military 14.5mm
PTRDs, to use our case with chamber insert. In many places 14.5
cases are scarce, real expensive, as well as most 14.5mm cases
being steel are not the easiest to resize/reload. Our case sizes
like regular cases and can be easily reloaded many times.

And a PTRD with almost a 5 foot long barrel could get 650gr
spitzer bullet to about same speed the 14.5mm gets a 900 gr using
3 times as much powder. About 3300 fps. Or get a 900gr at 2800.
Great possibilities for fun shooting. For tactical use in a place
where it would be useful to reload in the operations field, where
steel cases are scarce. 100 of our cases do over 2000 reloads.



I like Enfields to put our 585HEs in, for reasonable cost guns, the
actions once sporterized are one of the longest for long cases. .
Here is inexpensive way to fancy up the Enfield Bolt handle by
cutting the dogleg part of the old handle off and welding on
inexpensive contoured handles I found, one of which is like
Ruger 77 handle, the one on the right . Something even a novice
like me can do.....



A lot of guys are crazy about CEB bullets. Here are light 450gr
ones in our 24ga FH. That hollowpoint can range in weight 450gr
to 700gr depending on how much we cut off the back..
The 24ga FH brass case is nice complement to our 585HE,
for shotgun only deer hunters that want a .585" caliber,
and easy to find big bore bullets.... Ed




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Posted: 13 February 2015 at 11:08pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

For lightweight plinking, deer hunting, etc, in 585HE as well as 24ga FH
here is picture of 58cal Hornady sabot that holds .451/.452" light
bullets 225 to 300 gr. A way to shoot targets economically. Low recoil
but a big bang and satisfaction. A 250 gr bullet would go about
mach 4 with a top load..



Here is what 585 bull barrel, target blank looks like, 1 5/8" OD and 32" long.
It'll go in heavy action of some kind. 4th one from the left. The one in yellow
sleave on top, is a heavy contoured one with muzzle of .980". we   got a
bunch of them and so does McGowen.




Here is picture, nice cast bullet I like for the 585HE and 24ga FH.
It is .585" diameter and 650 gr and these particular ones are a
hard lead alloy, plus they've been heatreated. They are about as
hard as copper jacketed softs pivtured. These in .575'' size would
work in our 12ga sabot..



But to penetrate good and do great damage to game or target they
can be fairly soft lead and hollowbase like Minie Bullets. Here is picture
of timber drilled through with .585 soft lead Minie from 585HE.
Picture is the back of 6x6 timbers where Minie bullets came out.



Guys experimenting with multiple ball loads in 12ga wadcups, here is a
way to keep them together group wise.Ed



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Posted: 22 April 2015 at 4:55am | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Here is picture of our NEF 12ga FH with Hogue Compstock.
It has the
recoiling cam and springs in the hollow butt plus some
weght,



Here is a variety of slugs and bullets that fit in the
12ga dangerous
game slug, lock on sabot. BPI sells that DG slug.

.

There is couple 585 videos on Swann Gunsmithing's
Facebook site;
Of our 585HE in first Ruger #1, that was done in
Australia.It was set up
for the poster Tankhunter on the AR big bore forums. That
gun killed the
first AUS buff, killed by a 585HE, that I posted picture
of above. You can
go direct to the page and click on the videos to watch
the test firings..

https://www.facebook.com/swanbarrels/videos


Here is picture our 585HE in a Montana PH action in a MPI
stock, with the
style of a CZ stock and metal will be finished with a
Gun Kote finish.





Here is picture of a 585HE we did in a Mauser 98 as a
singleshot test gun. We used a composite stock we
adapted to fit action. Weighted to 12 lbs.
Enfield in back, you can see it is longer.



And speaking of singleshots a fellow in the Yukon is
just finishing up one in a Ruger #1.And the 24hr Campfire
forum has over a million views of this thread, ..ED
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Posted: 25 June 2015 at 10:54pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

The 12ga FH isn't the first wildcat case built on BMG
brass, it was preceded by
target rounds like the necked down 338 Talbot, the cut
off 700 DKT for big game,
necked down to .416 and . 458, and more, but the
following one was way
before them, in my favorite rifle caliber, for .585"
bullets.

One of first modern era 585 caliber wildcats, since
WW2, the 575 Miller-Greiss Magnum,
was first mentioned in the fifties, It was made from BMG
brass shortened to 2.70" long
and necked up from 50 cal to .585". But actually if cut
off first, it would be annealed, necked
down to hold 585 bullet. Fairly sharp shoulder.

They rebated the rim quite a ways down to .618" to maybe
fit 98 Mauser bolt.
Maybe used a special hogged out, reworked action. Listed
as
shooting 750gr bullet about 2400 fps. It holds about
150gr of ball powder under
a 750 gr bullet, maybe little less than 3" 50cal spotter
case, where our 585HE holds
180gr under a 750gr'.

We made one for experimenting on a full length BMG
case.With rim left same as the base
and would need a BMG or PH sized bolt and action. I'm
glad to be a big bore wildcatter,
and happy to be in the company of big bore nuts, old and
new. Years ago when guys did
big wildcats on BMGs, they took what was available, full
length BMGs to rework, and but
maybe back then they could have used the 3" BMG spotter
case, by shortening the neck,
if they could have found couple barrels full.

But it takes a lot of work to reform and shorten cases
that much like M&G, with the multiple dies,
multiple annealings, and case trimming and extreme
reworking of regular rifle actions,
which is why I like our 585 case, simple and straight,
any regular, long bolt action, or
falling blocks, break actions, etc, a 585 good for dozen
or more heavy loadings,
and moderate loads, last forever..

For our 585HE , made it a size, actually new belted size,
to fit regular size, long bolt guns,
(not BMG actions)that didn't have to be used from tripod
so to speak, and could be put in a favorite
gun of many, the Ruger #1, other falling blocks, without
taking metal out of the feed trough.
To get the same and/or more powder space as a cut back,
really shortened, BMG case, like M&G,
wildcatted to 585, or other short cases, we made longer
case and worked with guys
with a group buy, to get a factory run made. A miracle.
We thank all gun nuts for the help.

There is picture on the great site, cartridgecollector
dot net, of the M&G Mag .E

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Posted: 08 September 2015 at 9:28pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Sorry to be away so long. Health and money problems.
Here are couple 24ga FHs break actions, a CBC with
monoblocked
585 barrel in it, and a guys NEF he had a 585 barrel
monoblocked in.
The 585 barrels are perfect fit for 24ga, and 585 Minie
Bullets
are a perfect for barrel and 24ga case fit.






Another matter---It seems strange for me to ask for help
when
I ask guys on the net for help at times. . But I really
am in a bind.

That is truth, Our small income disappeared from our
farms truck
garden business, as my my knees are shot and can't hardly
walk, I can't do field work, etc. And the wife's lung
condition
got so bad she can't work.. So we finally had to quit
that,
but were and are in debt. We need little extra money to
try
to keep our health fixed up and pay bunch of back bills
and utilities.
As well as needed for traveling to doctors,
treatments,drugs, etc.

Could you all maybe get together with others on these
forums
and kinda take up a collection to help get me out of my
troubles and
debt. Like 10 or so bucks each put into our paypal
account as gifts.
And if you want to mail it, contact me to get you
my mailing address.

The Paypal email is je@gunownerstv.com

Best Regards- Ed

PS-- I really need help. Not astronomical amounts, but
fairly fast.
Just a little from each to help. A quick boost so to
speak.
We never made anything on the 12ga FH, etc, work and
research.
The little coming from sale of 585 brass, dies,
barrels,etc,
goes to pay to the places, where rest of the money
is owed, for getting them made..Ed
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All this reminds me of the 4 and 6 bore muzzle loaders the Brits used in the mid-19th century.
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Posted: 24 September 2015 at 3:20am | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Yes those are the good old days and guns.
Some of those old 4bore doubles be nice too have.

Here is picture of a lightweight Barnes bullet in 24ga
FH.
Guys cut the back off of 750gr bullet off to get 500gr
weight.



Here is picture 58 cal Minie slug that's little long on
the side for our 12ga
sabot, with the front of the slug above the grooves
swaged to fit in
sabot. The swaged front third of the slug fits next to
the internal ridge in
sabot and the sabot doesn't bulge out.Just run front
into a die
and punch it back out.




And some info about 12ga FH and other hopped up shotgun
slug loads,
You know we like to use the rifle, IE slower than
shotgun, powders.
We like to use IMR 4759 for some loads and RE17 for
others where
we have room for larger charges. Those two powders are
ignited ok in large
diameter cases like 12ga, 10ga, 16ga, etc, without
needing BMG primers.
But we have always been looking for easy to ignite
powders of the RE17
type, when cold, that has a speed between IMR 4759 and
the RE17.
RE17 uses different process to put the deterrents in the
powder to control
speeds, which allows much easier ignition, compared to
big majority of rifle
powders with all the deterrent on the outside.

There are some out there made by Nitrochemie
Switzerland, who makes
RE17, RE26, RE33, etc, for Alliant. It's the ' RELOAD
SWISS' brand available
for those in UK and Europe, They are called RS 40, about
same speed
as RE12, RS 50 & 52, same speed as RE15, RE60 & 62
same as RE17.
Also one ' Vihta Vouri ' powder called TR140 available
over there,
that Nitrochemie made..

Many guys can't get IMR 4759 anymore, some can't get
RE17.
I'd like to get some of RS 40-50-52 powders or V V
TR140
into the states, would really be great help for hairy
slug load work.
And guys in UK/EU now can load some real hairy, slow
powder, slug loads,
even though not having IMR 4759....Ed


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Posted: 23 October 2015 at 9:44pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

We got guys wildcatting our 585HE case,




Here is picture of that 375 Warlord next to our 585 case
he made it from.
He is going to make couple later necked down to 416, and
458.
There is another guy working on doing one necked down to
357 wildcat.



Here is a picture of our poster Biebs on AR, 585 HE,
in a MPI stock.
He used a big Enfield action, with a fancy jeweled bolt.



We found couple other big actions for our 585, that can
even feed really
long overall length loaded cases, like 4.5" long or
more, if you are
using long pointed bullets for real long range target and
hunting work.
One is Lawton 8000 Cheytac action, and the other is
Stiller Cheytac actions
made similar, just a newer version. Both actions come in
1.45" diameter
and a 1.60" diameter receivers.

And Vestals Gunsmithing in Virginia does great work,
decent prices, has
these actions and will build you fancy 585 HEs. .. He
has, working with
another guys mag box setup, setup an extra long, good
working, single
stack, center feed, magazine..He has one of our 585 HE
reamers on hand,
we have barrels....Ed




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Posted: 09 November 2015 at 11:21pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Here we kill two birds with one stone so to speak,

Best case sizer is the MEC Collet Super Sizer and it can
double
as a case holder when we roll crimp. Much better hold
than
the ones made to hold cases for crimping, that cost a
lot.
Save cost of a holder, plus have best sizer around



Here is couple different setups our guys checking for our
585HE
in a long, Lawton Cheytac action. First laminated
thumbhole stock.
Second in a Hogue Compstock. The action can mount a scope
rail
like shown on the table in 1st picture or a receiver
sight in 2nd picture.
The scope rail is a piccatiny type.





The stocks used were wide ones for REM long actions, just
add recoil
block ahead of recoil inleting for the longer action,
drill new screw hole
Open the stock forward to original bolt hole for longer
cases and mag.

About Enfields for our case, one of my favorites, Some
don't like the
sporterizing, welding bottom metal straight. Many think
straightening
is a huge job needing special jigs. Easier just use one
being added on for a jig
with a bolt, to weld on the straight extension, Do top
weld, then cut old
extension that is under off with a thin cutting wheel,
then weld bottom.
When we bolt the short piece on the one we are
straightening, we grind
the short slant off so the added piece lays on there
flat.
The one you cut off can be used as the top extension for
the next one!!!
Just keep on building...Ed


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Posted: 10 December 2015 at 3:34am | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Here is a fancy stocked 24ga FH built on a NEF, built by
a guy in Canada. Its straight back, high comb
stock, handles recoil great.Neat looking work... Ed




About our 2.17" 585 BB case for lever guns, pistols,
etc,.
It is made from our 585 case cut back to 2.17" long.
With loaded length of about 2.8" work in lever guns, etc.
Work in 71s, later 1886s, Henry steel frames made for 45-
70.
One guy is putting one in single shot action set up with
Contender style pistol grip for testing in long rifle
barrel,
to simulate pistol recoil..Be very brisk recoil in a
case
that holds 110 gr powder under a light Minie bullet.
Maybe work in a Rossi Judge with heavy barrel.
Or rolling block rifles and pistols...Gonna try one in
1887.
Got first one in one of our guys Greener GP for testing..

In some ways big bore shotguns and rifles are sexy.
By looking at the shape of the fire and smoke cloud....
Thanks for picture, to the great NitroExpress Forums
site.




Here is picture of another neat sporterizing deal for
Enfields.
On those without rear bridge pocket welded up, we just
mill down
and shape it so debth of the pocket matches bottom
section of
weaver rail and screw or epoxy it in. Shape to drive in
hole tight.
Can use as a rear scope ring mount or mount for peep
sight
like a compact UTG sight...Ed


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A poster reading our threads said '' I'm slowly becoming
a recoilapheliac''..
That is neat term , and very glad that folks are
catching the big bore fever.

Here is a simple, yet neat peep sight we can use on the
rear sporterized
bridges of Enfields, works on other rear bridges
also.Including shotguns.
I like peep sights the best for most shooting. They also
come with flat
bottoms also for bridges and receivers that are flat on
top.



Another picture of the 585 HE one of our guys put in the
MPI stock..



Here is another pic of our guys 24ga FH in the NEF




On straight sided cases like our 585 HE the die set has
a mouth expander
die to make it easy to insert bullets. The die flares the
mouth, but I always
felt that doing what is really a relative relatively
sharp flare, and then the slight
roll crimping the same area of the case into a groove on
the
bullet or slug, shortens case life.

So I just use expander plug out of the die, by hand,
using just the bottom of
of the expander plug and just push it in a little, wobble
it around a small
amount, bullet goes in ok, case mouths last longer, good
for dozens of loads,
with moderate hunting and target loads.Only takes a few
seconds and less
work that has to be done in the press ... Ed



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Here is picture of a hard plastic molded shotgun case,
holding
a slug, without crimping, a company is experimenting
with.
This one with light slug supposed to do over 2000 fps.




Here is video by Corlanes Sporting, Dawson Creek, BC,
CAN.
Known as, Rocky Mtn Rifles, video on Youtube of them
testing our
585 HE in a barreled action, they are building for a guy.
They are
shooting it into their big bullet trap with test load..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vzQjRGfT1A




Here is picture of Rossi SS with 585 barrel mono-blocked
into it,
chambered for our 585 BB 2.17" case, to do testing in a
light rifle
with just pistol grip to simulate the case in pistols.
Others going to
put case in leverguns, autoloaders. We got plenty of
cases Ed


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Here is picture of a great old time 8bore double.
I like those old outside hammer, big bore guns.



The style of most break actions singles aren't the
greatest, that we
we used for 12ga FH, 10ga FH, other caliber barrels we
mono-blocked
in them like .585" bore for 585HE and 24ga FH.. One
that is close
that we have, is the Magtech.

Well the guys have found one that is super strong
lockup and looks
real nice. And has the good quality look. It comes 12ga
light shot barrel,
soon be monoblocked to rifled 24ga FH, the little
brother of the 585HE.

We told company if they did them with NEF style, rifled,
heavy slug barrel,
for shotgun caliber only hunters, they couldn't make them
fast enough.




Here is picture of 585HE, In an Enfield that Bret and
Darrel in Minn
set up with great camo finish, with nice brake job. It is
in a Hogue, recoil
reducing, rubber coated, Compstock.Great job they did..
Ed






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We will have arrived when we have this big bore in our
back yard,
Kind of a neat suppressor,




Here is folder shotgun, the guys set up as 24ga FH.
Shoots nice, looks nice, it a more expensive break
action,
compared to many others.




Here is another view of what we feel is a nearly perfect
break action. Guy is making a strong 24ga FH with it.




Here is picture of a 585HE MRC PH a guy set up..







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Here is a Midland break action a guy is doing in 24ga FH.



Here is old catalog picture of different stuff used in
old days
for shotgun loads. Some would be hairy in brass cases



Here is picture of a MN a guy is doing 585HE in..
It is singleshot. Redid bolt handle, mounted it on the
bolt
further back, so the port could be lengthened for our
long case.
Also puts handle back where it is easier to grab.
Needs, more shaping, polishing, blueing, scope rail
added.



Here is another picture of the 585HE with great looking
stock.
Nice looking wood. Ed


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Have you ever shot any game with that
monster?



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I haven't but others have, deer, hogs,
Australian buffalo.

There are guys on Castboolits forum experimenting with
locking on plastic bases securely on slugs.
Making their own front heavy ones for smoothbores.

Here is picture of our 585BB case next to long 585HE.




Here is another view of the great camo job on the
585HE Enfield, a top view. Ed


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Here is a helix driver seal we made by cutting base from
helix driver

wadcup, good for fullbore roundballs that are too big to
go in cup.

Best one to cut off is shortest `12ga one BPI has.






Here is picture of a 585HE made on a Stiller bolt action
for guy in Canada.

It was made for the poster Spooksar on Africa Hunting and
Accuratereloading,

by Corlanes/Rocky Mountain rifles, in Dawson Creek BC
Canada, with a

Stiller action, Timney trigger. the stock is a blue/grey
laminate. He imported

the barrel, cases, dies, etc.. from us, through Prophet
River in Lloydminster AB.






That action similar to Lawton we had and neighbor got,
that won the King Of The

2 Mile shoot at Whittington, with the 375 Lethal
cartridge the neighbor made,

from our 585 brass. Made it full length case,.. It is
big one on the right.

He made an 18 lb gun with McMillan target stock, a huge
scope, tripod..

Nice thing is we don't need BMG action.ED



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Fellow big bore nut, Nathan Vale in AUS, has worked with

Bertram and got the run of full length 12ga From Hell
cases done.

Drawn 12ga long cases as strong as BMG brass with
unbreakable rims.

Any wanting to get some, contact Bertram at the email ---
--   

b.bertram1@bigpond.com    ......





Some more on wildcat 375 Lethal Cartridge and Mitchell
Fitzpatrick's win.......

.375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle shooting prototype
solid 400gr Berger bullets.

Mitchell built this rifle himself using a McMillan A5
Super Mag stock, Rock Creek barrel,

Nightforce ATACR MOA scope, Phoenix Precision Bipod, and
a Lethal Precision Arms

muzzle brake. Lawton Action. Lethal Precision his own
gunsmith shop, will make

these target rifles for anyone into target shooting and
long range hunting..


Remarkably, Mitchell nailed first- and second- shot hits
at the 2477-yard target,

a full 1.4 miles away. It is windy out there, makes
shooting hard with a time limit.

The prototype 400 grain Berger Bullets solid performed
great, (G7 BC of 0.56 at 3000 fps).






Here is 585 HE in an Enfield, in a Choate Heavy Varmint
Stock. These are super strong.

The butts of these can easily be weighted. Couple guys
doing them....... Ed









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Here is a picture of the 12ga FH brass case that Nathan

Vale had Bertrams make. Next to short plastic case.




Here is a picture of our 585BB headstamp. Perfect
lettering

for our case as it came from production line,.




I like Hogue stocks, but they aren't made for
singleshots.

We use singleshots for our 12ga FH and 585HE.

Here is picture of a NEF we set up for 24ga FH and we
adapted

a Hogue 1300 Winchester Hogue to it. Looks a lot better,
and

handles recoil easier than factory, Butt hollow, easy to
add weight,





Here is picture of 585 case in the Lawton bolt, and the
wildcat

375s and others made from our cases, work in bolt also.
Ed



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