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Posted: 06 January 2017 at 6:48pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Our friend Brian from the far north went to Africa with
his 24ga FH he did in
a NEF break action and got 3 nice buffs with it. Good
job.


Our 585HE, 700HE and the great 12ga FH are now in the new
COTW book
published in Oct, now out for sale,




We now have our target 375 HE cartridge, made by necking
down our 585 HE.
The others couldn't make enough 375s, so we started our
own. It has different
shoulder taper, length, neck length, improved over the
others...Got a bunch
guys doing it, most into the 2 mile shooting venues,
We're making cases,
testing, reamer prints at reamer guys, we are getting
guys going. The 2 mile
shoot last year really got the interest booming for 375
necked from our case,

Here's how, size and seat 375 HE, one simple die, a 1"
die, no huge dies needed
A die we can make with resize reamer from reamer guy, a
regular die body,then
pass on to the next guy, one reamer can make whole bunch
of dies for folks.

I do primer work separate, not in the press. SO First
with lock ring set, I size cases.

When coming back out of dies with case, we notice the
case still well centered,
held straight, when it is down as far as the length of
the 375 HE neck... IE
the sides and shoulder corner still supported tight.

So we put washer or another lock ring on, same thickness
as neck length,
below original lock ring, screw down tight tight in
press,

Dies had a 5/8 x 24 thread in top, had powder fill
bushing and other stuff same thread,
reamed out from bottom to set bullet height, with ram,
case,and bullet up,

After priming, loading in the powder charge, we
carefully start(boat tail makes it easy)
bullet in case by hand, slide up in die, into holder,
raise ram to to top, bullet seated
perfect. Die can have different thread in top as long as
big enough to hold seating
bushing of some kind , that can be made from many items.

These target bullets held in by strong neck tension, no
crimping needed, and notice
bullet point will get no marks or dents, fast, easy, no
380-500 buck special dies.
Bushing centering bullet on ogive is very accurate.

OVER 900 375HE cases piled behind presses getting done.
About 600 on another
bench nearly ready. Small batches in shelves.And we will
do more.

All 375 info, prints, specs, pictures, load data, etc, is
public domain, worldwide,
for any target, hunting, etc, use..Ed


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Posted: 01 February 2017 at 3:21am | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Here is picture of one of 3 buffs our guy from Canada
got in

Africa with our 24ga FH he did on a NEF, in 2nd picture








Here is the neck die setup, with insert stems/plugs for
the top that

are set in .020" steps to make our 375 HEs shown behind

from our 585HE cases. 900 cases behind and 600 on

another bench, mostly done, and 600 started elsewhere,

We also made a hydraulic form die, 375 HE test gun,
starting with

lighter bullets, for example got 340 gr to 3700,

Will test up to 400gr We will find top speeds and powders
needed

to get that, and have info where to get powders. Reamer
prints are

at reamer guys, all prints and info is public domain...
Ed

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Posted: 11 March 2017 at 6:28pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Picture of fellows at Vestals Gunsmithing test firing
585 HE

they built for a guy. They got 750 gr to almost 2800 from

ultra short barrel, not a full load . A regular barrel
would be

over 2900, 14000 ft lbs with full load..





Picture of our 375 HE cases, with little 378 WEA on left.

Middle case is with 330 gr, right case is 400gr bullet.




Here is picture of out 375HE testgun, in heavy t-hole
stock.

So far 340 gr to 3700 and 360gr 3600.




Next 416 HE target case, these run through the hydro-die,

test gun done,will complete testing soon, to confirm
specs.

When specs set, info will be sent to reamer guys

Soon will have 408 HE with specs set up also, for guys,

Smaller case 416s and 408s can be reamed out for

our bigger case .Ed


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Posted: 25 April 2017 at 1:16pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Here is picture of a brake on 12ga FH with real hot
loaded
hollowbase lead slug, brake needed more clearance
for the expanding slug.




Here is the before and after of 375 HE cases,    
2 on left necked, 2 on right formed in hydro die after
necking..

]

Here is pic of 416 HSM second from left we are
experimenting
with, going to see if we can make the ultimate 416 ELR
case.
Can be 3.60" to 4.00" long, a long one pictured.
Holds over 280 gr ball powder under bullet. In the
picture,
1st case is 416 HE, 2nd 416 HSM, 3rd 375 HE, 4th 378 WEA.

416 HSM will get 400gr to 4100 plus without needing BMG
action,
470 gr 3800 plus , it may be the ultimate target,
singleshot 416..
Case will work in fat bolt actions, with heavy enough
barrel
to have good, milder, barrel harmonics and srtill be
under 50 lbs.
A lot of the 2 mile type shoots are adopting 50lb limit.



Here is picture of the 416 HSM fireformed once,
next to bmg case we make it from and as we
improve wildcatting process next few weeks
some specs may make small changes, now from
base to shoulder is 3.45", case 3.97" long. Ed..





Manson has 416 HE and 408 HE prints, as well as 375 HE
He can also make you a resize die reamer from that info.
We got 700 cases in 416 and one more pass if 408s wanted,
,
Going to do lot more cases for these 2 sizes also,
Questions, PM or email. ph 989-644-5228..

Here are final specs for 416 HE.
Length 3.32", belt diameter ,655", base dia .635" ,
length base to to shoulder 2.860" , 30 deg shoulder.Ed
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Posted: 25 June 2017 at 6:33pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Guys asking about strong economical bolt gun to use for
28ga and
410 ga and 32ga with brass cases and higher pressures
than plastic cases.
They can use a MN bolt action, here is pic of one with
our 585 case in the action.Guys can get Magtech brass
cases or have
RMC make them....Guys can make 32ga case from 500 NE,
410s from 9.3 x 74 brass, etc..



Here is picture of our 416 HSM case sectioned next to
original
BMG case on the right sectioned, to show that we still
have
enough thickness in the sides to handle high pressure,
in a case with 310 gr capacity..We are getting the
wildcatting
work set up so we can do at least hundred a month.
We have lots of 585s, 375HEs, 416 HEs, 408 HEs.....
And working toward getting 416 HSMs in big numbers.



Here's comparison of 416 target cases, 1st 416 HE,
have whole bunch.
Second is model of what I'd have made on medium
machine, if I could,
the 416 HE Long. It has capacity of 230gr..
Third is our 416 HSM which we are working on making by
wildcatting bmg
cases, And if had run long cases, make longer 375 HE
necking down 416 ..




Bryan Litz just recently shot 3 shot group at 2 miles
using Paul
Phillips heavy barreled, target rifle built by Lethal
Precision in
375 Lethal Mag(585HE necked down, very similiar to 375HE
)...
It grouped 17.5 inches tall by 22 inches wide.

Applied Ballistics shooter Mitch Fitzpatrick just hit 3
of 5 at 3520 yards,
weekend 10-13th at Valdina Ranch , west of San Antonio.
Also used the 375 LM case similar to our 375 HE
Great shooting at the 2017 World's Longest Shot
Challenge. Ed
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Posted: 23 July 2017 at 1:27pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

The 12ga FH case now is in the new COTW book on
last page in the wildcat section, I think page 324.
They gave good credit to Rob for the idea of that   
case....


The model 416 HE long case in middle, hydro formed one,

has case capacity of 240 gr, and the 416 HSM in picture,

on the right, we fired a case twice, capacity is 320gr..
Ed..




More info out now; short, fat cases sticking, pockets
not lasting as expected.
Trying to get best speeds the things raising pressures
are bad case
proportions, too sharp of shoulders, too fast of
powders...........
and debth of the bullet into the powder space, as
shown in the picture below..
My 375, 416, etc testing, bullets loaded like bottom one,
in longer freebore....Ed.


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Posted: 04 September 2017 at 12:06pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Here is case measurements for our 416 HE target case
made from our 585 HE big belted case. Ed




Here is picture of 375 HE left, 416 HE next, 416 HSM
right..




Here, tentative specs, 416 HSM case we are doing from
bmg brass,





A 375 HE, with Lawton action, bunch being done with
those .....


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Posted: 09 October 2017 at 12:55am | IP Logged Quote hubel458

A 585 HE ...shot with moderate heavy load......

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t50.2886-
16/20404363_470558053312276_3772630570509533184_n.mp4


Here is a 375 HE target gun set up, by Asteroid
Precision...




Here is video of it being tested... And with a 350gr
bullet about 3450-3475,

bolt opened easily with one finger...And he's just
getting started

and is checking on better powder, Ed..



https://www.facebook.com/AsteroidPrecision/videos/2980311
33934093/?fref=gs&dti=321360231548869&hc_location=group
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Posted: 10 November 2017 at 6:36pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Here is recap simple setup to get faster loads with 12ga
sabots

& slugs, Example using break actions...., reaming
chamber

in a 12ga break action to 3.5" with a 3.5" 12ga reamer,
that isn't

something needing special order, and use 3.5" plastic
cases , or

get 3.5" brass cases made. With mag shotgun primers and

our slower powder loads you can get a quarter more
speed,

which gives 50% more energy...


585 Hubel Express video, 190ft/lbs recoil, heavy load,
gun little light.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyS9zZ8ElJA


Another view of Asteroid Precision's.... 375 HE target
gun,




Here is our 416 HSM we are developing next to 416
Barrett, Ed


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