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Posted: March 24 2013 at 8:45am | IP Logged Quote O_Person

Not the best time on the North East Coast to be "nosing around" for anything related to firearms, but as far as a lead source - You might look for an indoor range within a reasonable distance. Sometimes you can get a deal on their "cleanups" and the alloy is just about what you'd like.
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Posted: March 24 2013 at 9:29am | IP Logged Quote Rigmarol

I've tried and the three I asked were sorry but they had
EPA regulations they had to follow on how they clean up and
how they dispose of their lead. Maybe if I knew someone it
could be done but not as a stranger off the street.

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Get yourself certified by the EPA to clean up lead contamination.

Then you dispose of the lead by shooting it. Might work..!

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Scrounging lead has been a long time hobby of mine. When I was still in the Navy, I had a contact at the salvage yard, that used to give me bars of ballast lead that was taken out of decommissioned WW11 submarines. I have broken up a lot of car batteries and then melted down the plates.

There are salvage yards that sell scrap lead for pretty reasonable prices. And I bet if you put an ad on Craig's List, you could probably have people pay you to haul away their old batteries.

I have mined lead out of gravel pits where people go to shoot.. not to mention that those places usually have brass lying around on the ground.
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Posted: March 24 2013 at 2:18pm | IP Logged Quote erty

Not recommended using batteries. Can be very dangerous to you and to others in the area.

Maintenance free/low maintenance batteries use calcium metal-doped lead to catalyze the hydrogen gas. The lead alloy used in batteries also contains a bit of antimony and arsenic to help harden and strengthen the lead. When hydrogen comes in contact with arsenic and antimony, the hydrogen reacts to form ammonia analogues called arsine and stibine, AsH3 and SbH3. In World War One the Germans experimented with these as war gases. As such they were highly effective since they are deadly in amounts too small to easily detect.
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Posted: March 24 2013 at 4:19pm | IP Logged Quote Rigmarol

I believe batteries are just too toxic to mess with at all
other than maybe clipping off the two terminals and moving
on.

erty, good to see you still around!!
How's retirement treating you?



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Rigmarol wrote:
erty, good to see you still around!!
How's retirement treating you?


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Posted: March 24 2013 at 5:52pm | IP Logged Quote Rigmarol

Lucky dog you....!
7 more years for me.

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7 years???

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I have been breaking up and melting down batteries for a very long time. I usually just throw them into a brush pile I have to burn, and when everything cools down dig out the lead, it tends to end up at the bottom.

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Ive done a few batteries over the years....nothing fell off of my person
nor has the Dr. Said i had heavy metal problems....other problems yes.
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John, are they still making acid/lead batteries?

How far do you stay away from the fire?
We use to back off 15-20' up wind, stinks!

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Posted: March 25 2013 at 2:57am | IP Logged Quote erty

John Van Gelder wrote:
I have been breaking up and melting down batteries for a very long time.


People have played Russian roulette and gotten away with it to, arsine and stibine are very real and is the chemical reaction from melting those elements. Do as you please but you have been warned.
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Posted: March 25 2013 at 6:38am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

The very act of melting lead is a hazard, loading ammunition is a hazard, walking across a street is probably the most dangerous.

Chief

I just melt down the old batteries that I inherited when I bought this place. I check wind direction and return when the fire is out. A much bigger hazard with batteries is the possibility of a steam explosion.

If we really wanted to be worried about something it should be all of the additives and preservatives that are added to our food and drinking water.
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Posted: March 25 2013 at 6:49am | IP Logged Quote erty

I'm not trying to change your mind, seems it's pretty well made up. The point is that others also read these posts and for those that are unaware the hazards should be pointed out. The hazards of arsine and stibine are far greater than melting lead or reloads. If the chance of a nice whiff of these gasses are acceptable to you have at it but others may want to know the risks.
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erty

Nearly everything we do in life has it hazards, we can moderate those hazards with a bit of common sense. A commodity that sometimes seems to be in short supply.

Every time you get into a motor vehicle, you are risking great bodily harm and or death. The odds of being killed in a motor vehicle accident are exponentially higher than getting a whiff of toxic gas from melting a battery, as long as you are able to exercise basic common sense.

As far as anyone who thinks these forums are the source of ultimate truth, they are sadly mistaken, forums are primarily social in nature.

Batteries.."smoke em if you got em", if you feel uncomfortable doing so then do not..my bottom line.
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Posted: March 25 2013 at 9:02am | IP Logged Quote erty

John Van Gelder wrote:
Batteries.."smoke em if you got em", if you feel uncomfortable doing so then do not..my bottom line.


erty wrote:
If the chance of a nice whiff of these gasses are acceptable to you have at it but others may want to know the risks.
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Posted: March 25 2013 at 3:23pm | IP Logged Quote Rigmarol

I won't be reclaiming any batteries. My choice.

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Another problem with lead acid storage batteries is that most of the newer ones have calcium alloyed in the mix, it causes about as much of a problem in casting good bullets as having zinc get in your alloy.

I stay with wws, flashings, cable jackets and pipe, just reduces the possible problems.

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Posted: October 23 2013 at 12:25pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Scrounging lead is always problematic. If it melts in your lead pot, can be sized and lubricated in your sizer lubricator, and takes the rifling.. it will probably work.
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