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Posted: 06 September 2011 at 11:39am | IP Logged Quote Eugene

I have some 158 grain hard cast LSWC coming and would like to load up some .38 special rounds for my S&W 642 special snubnose revolver.

I have titegroup that I am not using for anything else right now so I would like to start with that. I also have some HS-6 on hand but use that for my .40 S&W which I shoot more of.

Any good loads? This is my first try at loading for a revolver and first attempt to properly roll crimp, I assume I will just roll crimp in the crimp grove right and that the OAL isn't as critical in a revolver as it is in a semi auto?
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Posted: 06 September 2011 at 11:59am | IP Logged Quote Eugene

That 158 grain looks like a RNFP, would the data pretty much be the same. I guess starting with a low charge is pretty safe, shouldn't get stuck in a 1 7/8" barrel
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Posted: 06 September 2011 at 2:02pm | IP Logged Quote Eugene

I found some data from Hodgdon from a few years ago, seem a little hotter than the Lyman data listed above.

Starting load for 158 grain LSWC 3.2 gr.(815 fps & 11,500 CUP) of titegroup with a max of 3.8 gr.(920 fps & 15,400 CUP), for +P 4.2 gr.(982 fps & 18,900 CUP).

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Posted: 06 September 2011 at 6:34pm | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

At those charge levels, I don't think I would depend too heavily on a powder measure. Here's a group I checked some time ago that included Titegroup closer to the 6.0 gr level.



BTW, I use a scale that is capable of measuring those numbers, i.e. it isn't just guesses.

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Posted: 07 September 2011 at 6:27am | IP Logged Quote Rocky Raab

Let me IMMEDIATELY jump in and warn that those are NOT suggested loads!

What Paul posted are repeatability tests of what a measure throws at a given setting. Do NOT use those as charge weights.

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Posted: 07 September 2011 at 7:13am | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

That's right, just a check for repeatability using different powders and it seems like I used pretty much the same setting on the powder measure. I used a Redding #3 with the universal drum.

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Posted: 07 September 2011 at 8:33am | IP Logged Quote Desertrat

I have loaded hundreds of 158gr LSWC in .38....and that Titegroup load of 3.2 to 3.8 is fine...TG is a fast powder and not generally used for heavier bullets...but the .38 is so forgiving, that it is fine in that loading. I experiment a lot with different .38 special powders...and TG is still one of the best. I have also used Universal clays with 158gr....slower powder...a little less "snap" on the recoil.....give it a try too.

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Posted: 07 September 2011 at 9:02am | IP Logged Quote Eugene

Thanks for the confirmation on the safe starting point.

I am fairly new to reloading so I don't know where Paul was going with the powder measure, both titegroup and HS-6 measured very accurately, +/- 0.05 grain, I check every 10 rounds when I use my RCBS powder measure. When working up a load I weigh each charge individually. Sorry the attachments/pictures wouldn't download on Pauls post so I wasn't sure where he was going.
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Posted: 07 September 2011 at 11:21am | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

The chart I posted showed an extreme spread of .44 gr with Titegroup in the 5.0-6.0 gr range using a Redding #3 powder measure. That means it doesn't meter all that well in those lower weight ranges unless you have a specific pistol drum on your measure. Even then, it may not be metering as good as you think, so it would pay to check weights more frequently.

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Posted: 07 September 2011 at 5:40pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Paul     I understand what you are saying but if my powder measure was as far off as that Redding #3 I would dump it and get one that worked better. My Ohous is like 50 years old and it measures +/- .05 grains consistently at any level. It may be a better one with two barrels for measuring small and larger charges but Titegroup meters well at 2.9g for 380 that I load for a friend. I use the same for Power Pistol at 6.2 for 9MM etc. I will say of course that some powders meter like cr.. like Unique in any powder measure. LOL I personally don't use TG but a friend likes it in his 380 so I do load it for him. I think it's an OK fast powder though.   

Eugene    Desertrat load is the same as what is printed on my can of Titegroup. Hodgdons data is generally hotter than Lyman.

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Posted: 08 September 2011 at 8:11am | IP Logged Quote Eugene

Paul, thanks for the explaination, my powder measure is much more accurate with Titegroup than +/- 0.44 grains, again checking multi charges I was within .05 grains per throw.

I should have checked my titegroup can for .38 special load!
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Posted: 08 September 2011 at 5:00pm | IP Logged Quote drew14357

Tite Group can      for .38special
3.8gr 158 lswc win case win small primer c.o.l 1.475" 920 fps
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Posted: 08 September 2011 at 7:31pm | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

Actually, it's +/- .22 gr.

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