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Posted: December 25 2011 at 9:52am | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

I have posted several .44 Special articles from 1944 to 1996 that cover a multitude of aspects. I haven't read all of them yet, but will get to it soon.

The first group can be found here
http://www.bbhfarm.com/gallery/album06?page=2

and the second group here
http://www.bbhfarm.com/gallery/album06?page=3

These came off of the S&W Forum as pdfs and I converted them to images. They are all articles from American Rifleman and Handloader and certainly take the .44 Special to new heights.

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Thanks Paul for some good info!

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Posted: December 25 2011 at 2:17pm | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

After reading a few of the earlier articles, it seems like there isn't too much need in having a .44 Mag except to insure it's strong enough to hold the pressures that some of the early model .44 Specials aren't up to.

It almost seems as though we are seeing .44 Mag loads that aren't much more than the hot .44 Special loads of 60-70 years ago.

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That's all Elmer Keith was seeking - a powerful .44 Special. Instead we got the .44 mag, even more powerful.

Both are great cartridges.
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M700 wrote:
That's all Elmer Keith was seeking - a
powerful .44 Special. Instead we got the .44 mag, even
more powerful.




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Posted: December 25 2011 at 5:24pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

A shame it's all fuzzy for me and I can't read the articles. Guess my computer is like the rest of my stuff.....old and outdated!

But I do like the old .44Spl, and hope to have more brass soon...

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Posted: December 26 2011 at 8:53am | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

Wade, if you click on the images they'll get larger. The first article is pretty fuzzy due to the quality of the pdf I had to work with. The rest are pretty readable, but some of the data is hard to figure out on the older ones.

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Posted: December 26 2011 at 10:41am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Paul,
I tried that but for me, it got worse instead of better. No worries, I'm used to my stuff messing up. But thanks for the advice. I just got stuff that fails all the time. I'm used to it now

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Posted: December 29 2011 at 9:02am | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

"It almost seems as though we are seeing .44 Mag loads that aren't much more than the hot .44 Special loads of 60-70 years ago."

That's true. Seems like the old 1905 design of he "N" frame Smith & Wessons can't hold up to the pounding of a proper .44 mag. load. Even Elmer Keith's pet load of .22.0 gr. #2400/250 gr. bullet is too hot these days. max load is now 20.0 gr.
I used his load for years in my Ruger Super Blackhawk without any problems but when I got and S&W 620, that load messed it up in just over 200 rounds. It's been back to S&W twice now and is more a safe queen than anything else thse days. When I do shoot it, it gets rather moderate loads.
In case anyone hasn't noticed. the .357 mag. has been downloaded as well. Between tears up the model 19 and 66 S&W's, now that gun makers are chambering very light snubbies to the .357, well you get the picture.
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20 grains of 2400 and the 250 Keith bullet is plenty in the
44 MAg! I hit around 1300 fps in my redhawk. I have went to
21 grains but the accuracy dropped off.

I have noted the down loading of the 2400 in 357, I beat
them to it. Some of the max loads were too hot and made
cases stick in my 586!! More speed I switch to LIL gun, 296
or H110. In the 44 I can reach 1400 fps with the 250 but
the accuracy isn't as good as 20 grains of 2400.

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