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Hi everyone
New to the group. I've been loading about 6 months and have a question on load Data
I am looking for a Safe starting load/OAL that will reliably cycle "stock" Glock 17
Using X-Treme 9mm 115gr HP Plated. with Hogdon"TiteGroup"
Hope someone can help me out, Not much info on plated rnds out there.everything I have read says somewhere between LRN and FMJ ? not comfortable with "Somewhere"
Thank you for your time
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Welcome to the forum David!
Most of what I've heard seems to indicate loads closer to lead bullets should be used. A lot of it depends on the thickness of the plating, with that varying quite a bit with different manufacturers.
You might give them a call at (800) 482-2103 and see what they say about how to load them.
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Another welcome Dave! Paul offers some good advice, because the plated bullets are meant to be an alternative to lead/alloy to elininate leading or be used where lead can not be used, provide better feeding reliability like a jacketed round. However they were not meant to be run full throttle as a cheap plinking bullet. So to keep within the bullet's design select loads which run under 1200 fps for most plated types. Some barrel/rifling provide better results than others.
There are some plated bullets that will perform over the 1200 fps with slightly thicker plating, their price usually will reflect this thicker plating.
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Paul5388 wrote:
Welcome to the forum David!
Most of what I've heard seems to indicate loads closer to lead bullets should be used. A lot of it depends on the thickness of the plating, with that varying quite a bit with different manufacturers.
You might give them a call at (800) 482-2103 and see what they say about how to load them. |
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I didn't make it in time to call yesterday so I e-mailed them instead.
The plated arrived yesterday and plating is very thick like FMJ almost. I tried to scratch it off but couldn't.
I wasn't expecting them to have so much copper on them. Nice product, just need to find a load now.
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The_Shadow wrote:
Another welcome Dave! Paul offers some good advice, because the plated bullets are meant to be an alternative to lead/alloy to elininate leading or be used where lead can not be used, provide better feeding reliability like a jacketed round. However they were not meant to be run full throttle as a cheap plinking bullet. So to keep within the bullet's design select loads which run under 1200 fps for most plated types. Some barrel/rifling provide better results than others.
There are some plated bullets that will perform over the 1200 fps with slightly thicker plating, their price usually will reflect this thicker plating.
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I believe they have been known to separate at vel over 1200 fps but that is just something I've read
I have some data that came with my dies for plated but not with the powders I currently have. may have to go shopping again.
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From what I'm reading in Lyman 48th Edition, the max load for a 120 gr lead bullet is 3.8 gr of Titegroup. I would back off to around 3.5 gr, or a little less and see what the functioning looks like.
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Paul5388 wrote:
| From what I'm reading in Lyman 48th Edition, the max load for a 120 gr lead bullet is 3.8 gr of Titegroup. I would back off to around 3.5 gr, or a little less and see what the functioning looks like. |
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I also saw that, But being that I haven't been reloading long I was looking for someone with more experience to point that out as an option.
Sounds like a safe load, I will try 20 at that load and go from there.
I have a match next Saturday so I hope to not have to shoot "Whitebox" if I can get this down in time.
Thank you very much.
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David, I didn't mean you have to stay at the lower loads, if everything looks alright. If you need more for some sort of power factor, you can work up from your starting point. Of course, accuracy will also play a part in the final load selected.
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| David, I didn't mean you have to stay at the lower loads, if everything looks alright. If you need more for some sort of power factor, you can work up from your starting point. Of course, accuracy will also play a part in the final load selected. |
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I gotcha! 
It will probably go to 3.8-3.9 I would think. just need to find the sweet spot for my 17. Power factor is a concern down the road. I think my buddy knows someone with a Crony so I will check it for power factor with that
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DaveAnt wrote:
Paul5388 wrote:
| David, I didn't mean you have to stay at the lower loads, if everything looks alright. If you need more for some sort of power factor, you can work up from your starting point. Of course, accuracy will also play a part in the final load selected. |
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I gotcha!
It will probably go to 3.8-3.9 I would think. just need to find the sweet spot for my 17. Power factor is a concern down the road. I think my buddy knows someone with a Crony so I will check it for power factor with that |
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I ended up going with 20 rnds @ 3.6 and 20 @ 3.8 w/OAL of 1.140
We will see... I need the time to get out and test em
I think the OAL @ 1.140 should be ok. 
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Lyman has 1.065" OAL, but you'll be OK if it feeds and chambers right. Pressure might also go down a little at the OAL you're using.
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| Lyman has 1.065" OAL, but you'll be OK if it feeds and chambers right. Pressure might also go down a little at the OAL you're using. |
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Really.... I will correct them tomorrow to 1.065
I got the 1.140 from my reload Dies Sheet(Lee)for 115 Plated.
Thank you. I love this site.
You think while I am down there I should jump to 20 @ 4.0 w/OAL 1.065 or wait?
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Wait, maybe forever. I don't use Titegroup, even though I have some on the shelf, it seems to do funny things real quickly.
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Ok I will wait. I only have ever used titegroup for lead so far and only about 400 rnds.
I hope you don't mind me asking all these questions.
What do you think would be the perfect clean powder for these Jacketed HP's. It looks like I will be using these from now on, they ship quick, the price is right and it looks to be a fine product. I say clean because I had been using Win 231 w/lead. But the gun was just so dirty and hard to clean after a match. 150 rnds looked like 1500 rnds with out cleaning. One of the shooters mentioned Titegroup to be a cleaner product so that's the only reason I went with it.
What would be your #1 choice for powder for these ?
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One of our main functions is trying to answer questions. The 3rd Edition Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook suggests a max load of 6.1 gr of SR 4756 (1284 fps) or 8.4 gr of Blue Dot (1339 fps) might be a good place to look. I don't seem to notice either powder to be especially dirty. The starting loads are 4.2 gr of SR 4756 (1005 fps) and 5.8 gr of Blue Dot (983 fps).
I tend to keep several pounds of each one in stock.
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Paul5388 wrote:
One of our main functions is trying to answer questions. The 3rd Edition Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook suggests a max load of 6.1 gr of SR 4756 (1284 fps) or 8.4 gr of Blue Dot (1339 fps) might be a good place to look. I don't seem to notice either powder to be especially dirty. The starting loads are 4.2 gr of SR 4756 (1005 fps) and 5.8 gr of Blue Dot (983 fps).
I tend to keep several pounds of each one in stock.
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Holy crap! I hope to have a set up like that one day!
Any special needs to keep powder over a long period of time?
I guess I have more books to buy.
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Is this your reloading room or are you the local gun store?
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It's just part of what I moved from my old reloading room/building. I don't take pictures of it now due to all of the stuff stacked on the floor. It's almost as bad as the old loading room. 
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