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Posted: August 27 2012 at 5:12pm | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

Well, one thing I can say is, I don't have any Federal primers. If I don't have enough hammer fall to set off a CCI, the hammer needs to be worked on.

I just got through shooting some Alcan 8 in .40 S&W, for which there isn't any data. The .40 S&W came out after Alcan powders were history.

I borrowed a test gun (Glock 23) and shot 6.0 gr of AL-8 with a 180 gr Lee FRN and thought it looked like it could go a little higher. A .7 cc Lee dipper puts about 6.5 gr in the scale, so that's what I jumped to. The primers aren't flattened, but the firing pin indention looks lighter to me, so I'll let the owner make the call for load level. Either one functioned the action and was capable of hitting the 4" spinner every time at 7 yards. The trigger being lightened on the Glock made it shoot a whole lot better than normal, but it still needs to be smoothed.

From what I see in the loading manuals, it looks like SR 4756 loads could be used as a starting point with AL-8 and work up from there. At 6.0 gr, there's 7000 loads in a 6# jug.

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Posted: October 18 2012 at 11:46am | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

I shot a .40 S&W with AL-8 last night to see how the muzzle flash looked and didn't see any blinding lights. It would really need to have a video taken of it to really assess it, but I think it's reasonably good in low light.

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Posted: October 18 2012 at 2:24pm | IP Logged Quote Emrah

I'm just starting to investigate surplus powders. Can we make this a sticky?

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Posted: October 18 2012 at 3:54pm | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

It's already a sticky.

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Posted: October 22 2012 at 9:52pm | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

I think I'm having a change of mind over components vs loaded rounds. If/when the events may happen, time may be of essence and there won't be time to use components, so it might be better to have more loaded rounds on hand. That means I'm probably going to invest in more surplus powder to get the widest application for calibers I have on hand.

I have some IMR 7383 that can be loaded with a 15% reduction by weight in IMR 4831 data, so that looks like a good area to go to next. However, I think I'll see how it actually shoots before making the jump.

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I purchased 48 pounds of 4895 from Jeff a couple years ago
for 12.50/lb. delivered. It's great stuff.

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Posted: November 01 2012 at 9:39am | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

The last time I checked, IMR 4895 was 8#/$120 plus shipping.

We still need to shoot the 7383 we have loaded in .300 Win Mag to see how it performs. It's just one of those things on the "list" to do.

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I wish I could find someone in Denver to go in on this

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Posted: January 30 2013 at 9:44am | IP Logged Quote Paul5388

Derek, the last I checked, there isn't much left in the way of surplus powder. Just the real slow powders, since the powder suitable for .223 and .308 has all been scarfed up. I think IMR 7383 is still available at http://gibrass.com/gunpowder.html for $56/7#.

IMR 7383 is supposed to be volumetrically equivalent to IMR 4831, but reduced 15% by weight using IMR 4831 load data.

I did read somewhere that IMR 7383 varies quite a bit in the different lots, but I don't know that for a fact.

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I would mostly be looking for 45-70 powder, but my funds
are pretty much non existent right so I have to wait it out
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A few years ago ,I bought 8# each of WC820, WC844 and the one that is equivalent to AA 1680, if I do a bit of juggling, I can load from .22 Hornet to .500 S&W with those 3 powders, just watch the primers and have a chrono on hand.
On chronos, how many of you have seen the Magnetospeed chrono?
It is a non optical chrono, mounts on the barrel and can be used anytime.
It senses the eddy currents generated when the metallic projectile disrupts the magnetic field of 2 magnets.
At $275 at Amazon, they are not cheap, but 2 friends have them now and are just tickled to death with them.

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Posted: April 30 2013 at 4:00pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

Great powder.


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Posted: June 01 2013 at 11:28am | IP Logged Quote Jay Gibson

I have shot a lot of WC820 in various revolvers, as well as the '06 for plinking with my cast rounds.

I have no complaints.

First post here. Hello to everyone.



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Howdy Jay Gibson.

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Jay Gibson, Welcome to the forum!

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Thank 'ye', fellers.

Glad I joined.

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I've been using pulled and new surplus powder for many years. Running a long range military surplus rifle club, we go through a lot of powder.
The most recent buy was 400 pounds of IMR-7828 powder. Originally used for the .50 Spotting Gun.
I have loaded this powder in:
6.5 Swede
6.5 Carcano
6.5 Grendel
7x57 Mauser
7.5 Swiss
7.5 French
.303 Britt
7.62x51
7.62x54R
.30-06
7.65 Argy
8mm Mauser
300 Win Mag
300 Why Mag
8mm Remington Mag
.45-70
.45-110
.50 Alaskan.
All have shot well and some out to 1,000 yards with very good accuracy.
There are several articles on this powder.
The other powder we use is the pulled Reloader-15.
With the Obama panic, these powders are getting harder and harder to find.

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Offered at the present time by Jeff Bartlett. Limited supply.

WC820     Brand new, virgin powder. Orignal application is for the U.S. Cal. .30 Carbine
   new      Bal l M1 round. This lot loads at 14gr with 110gr FMJ projectile. A ball powder which
             can be loaded using Hodgdon H110 data. Ideal for .410 shotgun and the
             .357 & .44 Magnums. Limited quantity.
             This is new ball powder.
               $140/8# jug.

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Jeff Bartlett now has SR 4759 type powder for sale.

IMR8188    This is an OEM powder, sold only to commercial reloading companies, and is known as SR4759 in canister packaging. Use SR4759 data, begin with the
starting loads. Brand new as manufactured by duPont.
This is new powder, not pulldown.
             $100/6# jug.
                
SR4759    This powder is non-canister military powder, known as SR7641. It is a bulky, very clone fine, extruded/flake type powder, that meters great. Used in the 5.56mm NATO proof load. Has a burning rate very similar to SR4759. Uses the same data as SR4759.
This is pulldown powder.
             $100/6# jug.

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