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Posted: April 26 2013 at 7:09am | IP Logged Quote M Hicks

Does anyone have published data for Hodgdon's International Clays powder in pistol calibers? Hodgdon has removed their published data because, from what I understand, it is quirky with pressures when you get to higher end loads. I don't want to use it for magnum and high performance applications. There are other powders that will fill that billet very well. I have also heard/read it is very similar to Green Dot; to the point some have used Green Dot data to load with it. I want to make some easy shooting plinking rounds to get more trigger time.

These are the calibers I am looking at loading with this powder;

9mm with 124 grain cast bullets.
45 ACP with 195 and 230 grain cast bullets.

Any other pistol applications for it might be helpful to others so please share any if you have it.

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Posted: April 26 2013 at 10:27pm | IP Logged Quote TexIndian

This may not help much but.......I have a 2008 Hodgdon manual (pamphlet really) that lists max loads only and says to reduce them by 10% as starting points. For 125 gr in 9mm the only Universal load is:

125gr Sierra FMJ 4.9gr 1118 fps 30,600 cup

If it helps any, the load for 115gr JHP is 5.0 and for 147gr JHP it is 3.3gr.

For 45ACP it shows these loads for jacketed bullets:
185gr - 6.4 max
200gr - 6.2 max
230gr - 5.6 max

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Posted: April 27 2013 at 11:17am | IP Logged Quote Ominivision1

I looked in my Hodgdon reload manuals all the way back to 2000 and while they list some loads for Universal clays, I could not find any pistol loads with International clays.

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Posted: April 27 2013 at 7:53pm | IP Logged Quote M Hicks

Thank you both very much. That helps a great deal.

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Posted: April 28 2013 at 10:38pm | IP Logged Quote noylj

Note: TexIndian references Universal and NOT International. Don't try
those
loads.

The powder companies want to keep shotgun powders as a shotgun
powders only. If you look, you will see that there are almost no powder
company's posted loads using shotgun powder for pistol cartridges.
They want to only spend money working up loads for their pistol
powders and working up shotgun loads only for their shotgun
powders.
International is slower than 231/HP38 and faster than AA5.
One could start with a starting load for plain Clays, since it is
significantly faster and work up. But, if you have never worked up a
load
for an "unknown" powder, you may not want to.

Edited by noylj on April 29 2013 at 8:59pm


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Posted: April 29 2013 at 8:44am | IP Logged Quote The_Shadow

We had the discussion a little while back...3 different powders from Hodgdon

ClaysHas gray color with small perforated (yellowish) disk in the mix

International Clays H a mixed flakes of gray and red color.

Universal Clays Mostly a pinkish red color flake.


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Posted: April 29 2013 at 3:47pm | IP Logged Quote M Hicks

I like that middle picture Shadow.

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Posted: April 29 2013 at 3:49pm | IP Logged Quote M Hicks

Remembering the different "clays" powders can be difficult
at times. That might be partially to blame on me ending up
with a jug of International. If I can't find any good
pistol loads for it I might have to take up shot shell
reloading.

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Posted: April 29 2013 at 7:11pm | IP Logged Quote The_Shadow

Yes thanks for the pictures, they have help me with my project.

Hey, You could try some work ups, did the ADI powder info yield any data?

I know you mentioned that it was comparable to Green Dot, 700X, WST & AA5 most of these are with in a few tents of a grain of each other for given loadings in 9mm and 45ACP, in most of the books. I'd bet you would see good results working with the Green Dot specs...

I would give it a try

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Posted: April 29 2013 at 7:29pm | IP Logged Quote The_Shadow

Under the Hodgdon cowboy action loads they show a few...

loads using International in 38Spl, 158 cast bullet
158 grain LEAD SWC INTERNATIONAL 3.0 gr. 798 12,400 CUP INTERNATIONAL 3.5 gr. 903 16,100 CUP

using International in 44Spl,
200 grain LEAD RNFP INTERNATIONAL 4.3 gr. 774 7,300 CUP INTERNATIONAL 5.2 gr. 919 13,500 CUP

240grain LEAD SWC INTERNATIONAL 3.9 gr. 723 8,900 CUP INTERNATIONAL 4.7 gr. 825 13,000 CUP

using International in 44Mag,
200 grain LEAD RNFP INTERNATIONAL 5.3 gr. 854 10,000 CUP INTERNATIONAL 6.8 gr. 1,044 18,300 CUP

240 grain LEAD SWC INTERNATIONAL 4.5 gr. 737 9,900 CUP INTERNATIONAL 6.5 gr. 970 21,700 CUP

using International in 45 Long Colt,
250 grain LEAD RNFP INTERNATIONAL 5.4 gr. 786 9,200 CUP INTERNATIONAL 6.0 gr. 866 13,400 CUP

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Posted: April 29 2013 at 11:19pm | IP Logged Quote triggerhappy243

I tried loading universal clays for my 1911 and I got blasted in the face with unburned powder particles. it is a recommended powder for the 45 acp but tested just a small batch of rounds and when I got peppered, I switched to a faster powder. I have no data for international clays. I think it is slower than universal clays. I would look at a faster powder as I am going to try 231 next.

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Posted: April 30 2013 at 3:49am | IP Logged Quote M Hicks

I am going to try and do a work-up with some 452488's
that I have for the 45 ACP and maybe the 240 gr SWC load
for the 44 mag.

There isn't much info out there that actually lists
International for pistols. They used to have it right on
the 1 pound cans. They have switched their labels to
have 12 and 20 gauge data only.

Funny thing was I was talking to a more "experienced"
gentleman at the range last week who said he had been
reloading for 30 years. He said he was using Green Dot
in his pistol loads. When I asked him about using
International in pistols he asked why I would put a shot
gun powder in a pistol and said I was going to blow up.
I just said I don't know, I thought I would try something
new. I was puzzled.

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Posted: April 30 2013 at 6:14am | IP Logged Quote noylj

Speed of burn:
Clays
International
Universal

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