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Posted: October 16 2015 at 10:34pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Here is picture of 375 Warlord next to our 585 case he
made it from.
He is going to make couple later necked down to 416, and
458.
There is another guy working on doing one necked down to
357 wildcat.



Here is a picture of our poster Biebs on AR, 585 HE,
in a MPI stock.
He used a big Enfield action, with a fancy jeweled bolt.



We found couple other big actions for our 585, that can
even feed really
long overall length loaded cases, like 4.5" long or
more, if you are
using long pointed bullets for real long range target and
hunting work.
One is Lawton 8000 Cheytac action, and the other is
Stiller Cheytac actions
made similiar, justa newer version. Both actions come in
1.45" diameter
and a 1.60" diameter recievers.

And Vestals Gunsmithing in Virginia does great work,
decent prices, has
these actions and will build you fancy 585 HEs. .. He
has, working with
another guys mag box setup, setup an extra long, good
working, single
stack, center feed, magazine..He has our 585 HE reamer on
hand, we have
barrels, cases, and reloading dies..Ed


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Here is couple different setups our guys checking for our
585HE
in a long, Lawton Cheytac action. First laminated
thumbhole stock.
Second in a Hogue Compstock. The action can mount a scope
rail
like shown on the table in 1st picture or a receiver
sight in 2nd picture.
The scope rail is a piccatiny type.





The stocks used were wide ones for REM long actions, just
add recoil
block ahead of recoil inleting for the longer action,
drill new screw hole
Open the stock forward to original bolt hole for longer
cases and mag.

About Enfields for our case, one of my favorites, Some
don't like the
sporterizing, welding bottom metal straight. Many think
straightening
is a huge job needing special jigs. Easier just use one
being added on for a jig
with a bolt, to weld on the straight extension, Do top
weld, then cut old
extension that is under off with a thin cutting wheel,
then weld bottom.
When we bolt the short piece on the one we are
straightening, we grind
the short slant off so the added piece lays on there
flat.
The one you cut off can be used as the top extension for
the next one!!!
Just keep on building...Ed


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Here is picture of another neat sporterizing deal for
Enfields.
On those without rear bridge pocket welded up, we just
mill down
and shape it so debth of the pocket matches bottom
section of
weaver rail and screw or epoxy it in. Shape to drive in
hole tight.
Can use as a rear scope ring mount or mount for peep
sight
like a compact UTG sight...



If we have a welded up Enfield rear bridge, then we can
use sight
like on this gun a guy is doing. Has a rosewood laminate
stock.
He will have it checkered, sanded, with fancy finish.



Here is a fancy stocked 24ga FH built on a NEF, built by
a guy in Canada. Its straight back, high comb
stock, handles recoil great... Ed




More about 585 BB short case for lever guns, pistols,AR
Uppers,
Work in 71s, later 1886s, Henry steel frames made for 45-
70.
One guy is putting one in single shot action set up with
Contender style pistol grip for testing in long rifle
barrel,
to simulate pistol recoil..Be very brisk recoil in a
case
that holds 110 gr powder under a light Minie bullet
Maybe work in a Rossi Judge with heavy barrel.
Or rolling block rifles and pistols....Ed
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Posted: December 25 2015 at 7:47pm | IP Logged Quote hubel458

Here is a picture from the back, of a big Lawton action
that
our 585HE fits in nice. Scope rail on there is tapered
for long range shooting.



Here is what our wildcatter buddy is making from our
585HE brass to see how they look and experiment with.
He is getting reamers, dies, and gun setup first for the
375.





In some ways big bore shotguns and rifles are sexy.
By looking at the shape of the fire and smoke cloud....
Thanks for picture, to the great NitroExpress Forums
site. Ed


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A poster reading our threads said '' I'm slowly becoming
a recoilapheliac''..
That is neat term , and very glad that folks are
catching the big bore fever.

Here is a simple, yet neat peep sight we can use on the
rear sporterized
bridges of Enfields, works on other rear bridges
also.Including shotguns.
I like peep sights the best for most shooting. They also
come with flat
bottoms also for bridges and receivers that are flat on
top.



Another picture of the 585 HE one of our guys put in the
MPI stock..






On straight cases like our 585 HE the die set has
mouth expander
die to make it easy to insert bullets. The die flares the
mouth, but I always
felt that doing what is really a relative relatively
sharp flare, and then the slight
roll crimping the same area of the case into a groove on
the
bullet or slug, shortens case life.

So I just use expander plug out of the die, by hand,
using just the bottom of
of the expander plug and just push it in a little, wobble
it around a small
amount, bullet goes in ok, case mouths last longer, good
for dozens of loads,
with moderate hunting and target loads.Only takes a few
seconds and less
work that has to be done in the press ... Ed



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Here is video by Corlanes Sporting, Dawson Creek, BC,
CAN.
Known as, Rocky Mtn Rifles, video on Youtube of them
testing our
585 HE in a barreled action, they are building for a guy.
They are
shooting it into their big bullet trap with test load..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vzQjRGfT1A

Allan and Grant Swan in Australia are building 585HE for
a guy,
the second they built. First one killed the buff pictured
earlier .
AHR and Vestals will make folks here in US a 585 HE.
Here is another view of a Lawton action big enough for
585HE..




Here is picture of Rossi SS with 585 barrel mono-blocked
into it,
chambered for our 585 BB 2.17" case, to do testing in a
light rifle
with just pistol grip to simulate the case in pistols.
Others going to
put case in leverguns, autoloaders. We got plenty of
cases Ed


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Most break actions singles aren't the greatest style,
that we
we used for 12ga FH, 10ga FH, other caliber barrels we
mono-blocked
in them like .585" bore for 585HE and 24ga FH.. One
that is close
that we have, is the Magtech.

Well the guys have found one that is super strong
lockup and looks
real nice. And has the good quality look. It comes 12ga
light shot barrel,
soon be monoblocked to rifled 24ga FH, the little
brother of the 585HE.

We told company if they did them with NEF style, rifled,
heavy slug barrel,
for shotgun caliber only hunters, they couldn't make them
fast enough.




Here is picture of 585HE, In an Enfield that Bret and
Darrel in Minn
set up with great camo finish, with nice brake job. It is
in a Hogue, recoil
reducing, rubber coated, Compstock.Great job they did..
Ed



Here is picture from the rear of the Enfield we mounted
the short Weaver
rail piece on. It is mounted in the sight pocket that the
actions have;
Can hold scope ring or a rear peep sight like UTG makes..
Ed


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We will have arrived when we have this big bore in our
back yard,
Kind of a neat suppressor,




Here is folder shotgun, the guys set up as 24ga FH.
Shoots nice, looks nice, it a more expensive break
action,
compared to many others.




Here is another view of what we feel is a nearly perfect
break action. Guy is making a strong 24ga FH with it.




Here is picture of a 585HE MRC PH a guy set up..




Here is picture of our shorter 585 BB for leverguns, etc,
with
variety of bullets..Can get energy like regular elephant
guns..Ed




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Here is a Midland break action a guy is doing in 24ga FH.





Here is picture of a MN a guy is doing 585HE in..
It is singleshot. Redid bolt handle, mounted it on the
bolt
further back, so the port could be lengthened for our
long case.
Also puts handle back where it is easier to grab.
Needs, more shaping, polishing, blueing, scope rail
added.



Here is another picture of the 585HE with great looking
stock.
Nice looking wood. Ed


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There are guys on Castboolits forum experimenting with
locking on plastic bases securely on slugs.
Making their own front heavy ones for smoothbores.

Here is picture of our 585BB case next to long 585HE.




Here is another view of the great camo job on the
585HE Enfield, a top view. Ed


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Here is picture of a 585HE made on a Stiller bolt action
for guy in Canada.

It was made for the poster Spooksar on Africa Hunting and
Accuratereloading,

by Corlanes/Rocky Mountain rifles, in Dawson Creek BC
Canada, with a

Stiller action, Timney trigger. the stock is a blue/grey
laminate. He imported

the barrel, cases, dies, etc.. from us, through Prophet
River in Lloydminster AB.






That action similar to Lawton we had and neighbor got,
that won the King Of The

2 Mile shoot at Whittington, with the 375 Lethal
cartridge the neighbor made,

from our 585 brass. Made it full length case,.. It is
big one on the right.

He made an 18 lb gun with McMillan target stock, a huge
scope, tripod..

Nice thing is we don't need BMG action.ED



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Some more on wildcat 375 Lethal Cartridge and Mitchell
Fitzpatrick's win.......

.375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle shooting prototype
solid 400gr Berger bullets.

Mitchell built this rifle himself using a McMillan A5
Super Mag stock, Rock Creek barrel,

Nightforce ATACR MOA scope, Phoenix Precision Bipod, and
a Lethal Precision Arms

muzzle brake. Lawton Action. Lethal Precision his own
gunsmith shop, will make

these target rifles for anyone into target shooting and
long range hunting..


Remarkably, Mitchell nailed first- and second- shot hits
at the 2477-yard target,

a full 1.4 miles away. It is windy out there, makes
shooting hard with a time limit.

The prototype 400 grain Berger Bullets solid performed
great, (G7 BC of 0.56 at 3000 fps).






Here is 585 HE in an Enfield, in a Choate Heavy Varmint
Stock. These are super strong.

The butts of these can easily be weighted. Couple guys
doing them....... Ed









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Here is a picture of our 585BB headstamp. Perfect
lettering

for our case as it came from production line,.




I like Hogue stocks, but they aren't made for
singleshots.

We use singleshots for our 12ga FH and 585HE.

Here is picture of a NEF we set up for 24ga FH and we
adapted

a Hogue 1300 Winchester Hogue to it. Looks a lot better,
and

handles recoil easier than factory, Butt hollow, easy to
add weight,





Here is picture of 585 case in the Lawton bolt, and the
wildcat

375s and others made from our cases, work in bolt also.
Ed



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Here is picture of one of 3 buffs our guy Brian from
Canada got in

Africa with our 24ga FH he did on a NEF, in 2nd picture







We now have the 375 HE, target round we are making from
pour 585 HE, the others couldn't make enough cases. It
has different shoulder angle and other improvements.

Here is the neck die setup, with insert stems/plugs for
the top that

are set in .020" steps to make our 375 HEs shown behind

from our 585HE cases. 900 cases behind and 600 on

another bench, mostly done, and 600 started elsewhere,

We also made a hydraulic form die, 375 HE test gun,
starting with

lighter bullets, for example got 340 gr to 3700,

Will test up to 400gr We will find top speeds and powders
needed

to get that, and have info where to get powders. Reamer
prints are

at reamer guys, all prints and info is public domain...
Ed



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Picture of fellows at Vestals Gunsmithing test firing
585 HE

they built for a guy. They got 750 gr to almost 2800 from

ultra short barrel, not a full load . A regular barrel
would be

over 2900, 14000 ft lbs with full load..





Picture of our 375 HE cases, with little 378 WEA on left.

Middle case is with 330 gr, right case is 400gr bullet.




Here is picture of out 375HE testgun,





Next 416 HE target case, these run through the hydro-die,

test gun done,will complete testing soon, to confirm
specs.

When specs set, info will be sent to reamer guys

Soon will have 408 HE with specs set up also, for guys,

Smaller case 416s and 408s can be reamed out for

our bigger case .Ed


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