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Posted: June 24 2016 at 8:15am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Anyone used these with good or bad results? They seem to be cheaper than the others I can get if they are any good.
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Posted: June 24 2016 at 10:39am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

The pistol primers are ok. However. ......

The large rifle standard & magnum primers are pitiful poor!
The standard will not ignite 4320, 3031, H380, H335. The magnum would pop. Wait a second or two then it would go off. I've had flintlocks with faster locktime.
They will ignite A5744, black powder but not any performance smokeless stuff.

Want my advice? Pass em up.

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Posted: June 24 2016 at 2:59pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Thanks Wade.
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Posted: July 05 2016 at 7:59pm | IP Logged Quote igolfat8

The S&B, SPP are crap. I have had 12% fail out of 2000.
I've not had any SRP fail yet out of slightly less than
2000 in my AR. I'll not be buying more of either in the
foreseeable future.
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Posted: September 11 2017 at 6:54am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Out of curiosity, I loaded a few S & B LRM primers into .243Win cases with a reasonable dose of RL15. The primers sparked off well enough to fire with no lag time. Down range showed a good pattern. I don't own a chronograph so I can't say about varied speeds and such. I read groups. Listen to the report. Judge felt recoil. So in the.243Win and RL15 these primers did ok. They stink in .30'06Spr and IMR or H380 type powder though. I haven't tried them with IMR powders in the 243Win yet...

I tried them in the 243Win because I'm low on CCIs and needed practice ammo. With lots of S&M primers bought during the great hoarding of components, they were all I could get.

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Posted: September 12 2017 at 5:59am | IP Logged Quote cpg

I've got a case of S&B large pistol primers I bought a few years ago when components were scarce. Haven't broke it open to try any yet but will be using them for 45ACP using Win 231/HP38. Maybe I'll open a package or two this winter and put some together for trials. I guess I'll cross my fingers!!

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Posted: September 12 2017 at 6:42am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I had zero issues with either large or small pistol primers. Just with large rifle primers and IMR powder. Alliant powders and AA5744 lit up just fine.
But I'm fairly certain that the pistol primers will likely ignite most powders, though I don't use any slow ball powders like H110 and such. Did ok with Alliant powders though. Today, I'll see what happens with the 243Win and IMR4320 and S&B LRM primers.

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Posted: September 14 2017 at 2:25pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well they lit off IMR4320 ok in a 243 case. Who knows?

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Posted: September 23 2017 at 7:59am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Just remembered something. S&B primers are of a "Flat Cup" design opposed to the rounded cup of domestic production primers. Flats seat poorly with priming rams specifically made for rounded cups. The rams for domestic primers are slightly smaller in diameter, and some can even be beveled a touch. The idea is to insure that the ram can enter the outer edge of the primer pocket and seat the primer below flush.

A priming ram for flat cup European made primers are full width, and very flat. Here, the flat cup primer will seat absolutely dead flush with the flat of the case head. They were not designed to go below flush. In attempting to push them deeper into the pocket, like rounded cup style will, in fact, crush the primer and cause a possible failure to fire.

Most priming devices here are geared towards the use of domestic rounded cup style primers and are slightly smaller in diameter to function as desired. When using them to seat S&B's the extreme outer edge will actually give some to the more centered pressure created by the smaller ram. It does damage if not seated dead flush and halted there. Further force, driving the primer deeper as we are used to into the pocket, well, that's where we are making a mistake.

Old presses before the late 60's are not always fitted with the smallish rams. They often do well. Personally, I use the Lyman/Ideal 310 tong tool's priming die to seat S&B's and of course, all other primers. The 310's ram is full size and flat. I can feel the primer seat within the pocket due to the intimate nature of the tool in the hands. And the die is fully adjustable for seating depth as well. One can prime strictly by feel if need be. So when a primer fails or hang fires, I know its not from being crushed by the 310 and is strictly an issue with the primer itself or the compound in it.

Hope the above provides a bit of insight into the S&B primers issue. There appears to be a few like me that could only buy S&B primers during the great hoarding and such are stuck with them. Not being made of money, I'm going to use them in my only rifle with pistol powder and cast bullets and such. There, these are just fine.

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