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Posted: November 16 2016 at 8:15pm | IP Logged Quote 1187Shooter

30-30, 303 British, 30-06
Ok, I know that there isn't going to be one magic powder to give optimum
performance in all 3 of these cartridges, but, for simplicity's sake,
space saving and cost, for now, I'd like to try to keep to one rifle
powder that will give me at least good performance across the board.
Hodgdon's data site lists quite a few powders with loads for all 3
calibers, just need to decide which way I want to go. The most obvious
choices to me are H4895, Varget and BL-C(2). I'm looking at Hodgdon
powders mostly, because that's what they seem to stock the most of at the
local shop.
BL-C(2) seems to have the best velocity vs. pressure of the ones listed,
the other two are pretty close for the most part.
I'm starting out with 150gr Hornady Interlock spire points for the .303
and 130 gr Hornady (non Interlock) spire points for the .30 cals. Mostly
because that's what I have. I'll be expanding my selection soon enough,
but I'll start with these.
Is there a recommended or preferred primer for general all around use?
I'm aware that, just like powders, primers vary in performance in
different applications, but I'm sure there are those that are good
'utility' options for multiple calibers. A friend who reloads uses
Remington 9 1/2 for several rifle calibers, another uses CCI something or
others. I guess it is more a matter of finding what works.
I'd love to hear some other experiences with these powders, bullets etc.


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Posted: November 16 2016 at 8:23pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

I use one for 30-06, .243, 6.5x55. IMR4350. Simplifies things a lot.
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Posted: November 16 2016 at 8:57pm | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

Dan,

One of the 4895's would probably serve your needs. There are even reduced loads available on the Hodgdon website.



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Posted: November 16 2016 at 9:11pm | IP Logged Quote 1187Shooter

Mike,
I saw that, and for that reason I'm leaning towards
H4895. That and I know the local shop has plenty of it
on the shelf...
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Posted: November 17 2016 at 5:22am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

IMR 4064.

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Posted: November 17 2016 at 8:19am | IP Logged Quote The_Shadow

I have used IMR 3031 to fill my needs for the 30-30 and
30'06. Not sure how that would work out in the 303
British...

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Posted: November 17 2016 at 9:08am | IP Logged Quote nhblaze

Hello my name is Brian and I'm a powderaholic.

What just one    

I load 7.65X53 not 303 but BL-C2 is my go to
powder for that.
IMR -3031 for the 30-30
and IMR 4064 or H4895 for the '06.

A selection of powder is always a good thing.
Some rifles may prefer a certain powder over another.

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Posted: November 17 2016 at 9:20am | IP Logged Quote 1187Shooter

nhblaze wrote:
Hello my name is Brian and I'm a
powderaholic.

What just one    

I load 7.65X53 not 303 but BL-C2 is my go to
powder for that.
IMR -3031 for the 30-30
and IMR 4064 or H4895 for the '06.

A selection of powder is always a good thing.
Some rifles may prefer a certain powder over another.


Believe me, I do intend to add to the selection as I
go...
For now though, I'm going to start with just one. I'm
using a Lee hand press, anyways, so simple is better
for the time being.
The general consensus seems to be that IMR3031,
IMR4064, IMR4895, H4895 and BL-C(2) are all good
choices for a powder that will work well enough in all
three cartridges.
I will see what is available at the shop this weekend,
and will make my selection then.
IMR3031 seems to be a preference for 30-30, so maybe
I'll start with that, sincce I think that's what I'll
be concentrating on at first.
Question on primers: Hodgdon's data lists Winchester
Large Rifle primers for both 30-30 and 30-06 but
Federal 210 LR for the 303... is there any reason one
won't work for the other?
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Hi & Welcome Brian: I use mostly Winchester or CCI primers unless you load to the red line ( while some use only match primers / magnum primers ect. ) I do not notice any difference LR primer SR primers Brand A or B ! same for pistol loads. Use what ya got! work up the load stay safe!
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Posted: November 17 2016 at 4:51pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

For over 55 years I've used IMR3031 as a standard in my rifles so to speak. I do not load atom smashing shoulder breaking loads. I got nuthin to prove and rather hit the target than have need of an orthopedic surgeon.

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Posted: November 18 2016 at 3:58pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

IMR 4895 should work well enough in them all. This powder
does well with reduced loads also. I shoot it in most
things I own even with cast.

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Posted: December 19 2016 at 12:38pm | IP Logged Quote 1187Shooter

Well, I went with H4895, and loaded Hornady 130 grain
SP's in the 30-30 and 30-06.

The 30-30 I used was my Savage 340 bolt action. I kept
the COAL just under the max that would fit in the
magazine, and settled on 34 grains of powder. It
proved to be a very accurate and effective combination
out of the 21" barrel. My stepson shot 3 deer with it
at various distances from 60 to 200 yards.
The 200 yard deer was not a kill shot, but not the
fault of the bullet... he hit it in the hindquarters,
unfortunately, and had to finish it off up close with
a
handgun. The bullet did perform well at that distance,
however. There was plenty of tissue damage, and I'm
confident that if he had made a good shot the deer
would have been DRT like the other two (60 and 100
yrds.)
I don't know what kind of velocity they are travelling
at, but they are plenty fast. Based on the official
load data, I'm guesstimating about 2400fps.
He also shot a couple of 80-ish pound pigs, one of
which ran about 15 feet and dropped, the other one
went a bit farther...both had good exit wounds and
left heavy blood trails.

Out of the 30-06, I went with 52 grains under the 130
SP, and it was deadly as well... killed a deer at 100
yards and a couple of 80-100lb pigs at close to 200
yards with this combo, then I ran out and had to go
buy some more ammo. The deer ran about 20 yards and
piled up, with massive internal damage and a good exit
wound. No problem finding her in the brush. The pigs
were a little tougher, and ran a bit farther, but
still died. The load should have been running a little
over 3000 fps, according to the data.

My Lee Enfield was a different story altogether. I
couldn't even get the thing to group with factory
ammo... I think I need to have the crown redone. I
started off with a few test loads of 38 grains of
H4895 under the Hornady 150 grain Spire Point, and it
was very pleasant to shoot, but I couldn't hit
consistently enough with it to even bother working
with it any more. I'd like to try that load in a rifle
with a stock length barrel, I'm betting it would be a
great shooter.
All in all I'm very happy with the 130 grain SP in my
30-30... and now that I've got my feet a little wet in
the reloading game, I'll try some different powders
and see if I can get it working even better.
The 30-06 I'm happy with, but I think I'm going to try
some different bullets. Maybe the Barnes TTSX or
something. It worked great on the deer at 100 yards
but was a little lacking on the piggies at 200.



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The Savage 340 is a very under rated rifle. They do have the problem of length, though, load anything longer than a factory 170 grain load and it won't eject a loaded round. I have one in .30-30, one in .222 and a Stevens 322 (same rifle) in .22 Hornet. All are pretty good shooters even though they were considered bottom rung rifles in their day.

Are you using .308 diameter bullets in your .303?

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Posted: January 02 2017 at 7:29am | IP Logged Quote 1187Shooter

richhodg66 wrote:
The Savage 340 is a very under
rated rifle. They do have the problem of length,
though, load anything longer than a factory 170 grain
load and it won't
eject a loaded round. I have one in .30-30, one in
.222 and a Stevens 322 (same rifle) in .22 Hornet.
All are pretty good shooters even though they were
considered bottom
rung rifles in their day.

I agree. It is a great little rifle, and the perfect
candidate for my fast moving (for a 30-30) 130 grain
Spire Point load...
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Are you using .308 diameter bullets in your .303?

No, I was using
Hornady 150 grain .303 (.312 diameter) caliber Interlocks.

for my reloads and the factory ammo I had was 150
grain Remington Core-Lokts.

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