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Posted: November 22 2016 at 11:29pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Back loading .45ACP again after some years going by. Loading store bought factory stuff. No biggie. Winchester, Federal, and today, CCI Blazer Brass. Opened the box of 200 Blazer Brass and loaded the last of my mags with it and hit my range for some 1911A1 fun. While cleaning my weapon, eating lunch, and tumbling brass, I remembered to remove the 45 cases from the tumbler and process em.

Was priming them when there was a little resistance inserting a Remington 2 1/2 LP. Now I don't ever force things with weapons or loading gear. And when I inspected the case it had a small primer pocket! What the *,^ !!! Now I heard something about this somewhere but I wanna know who the twinkle toed, slack jawed, limp wristed, kale eating flimp came up with this stupid dippidy doo idea to switch primers in a 45! I'd love to get my hands on little Skippy so I could personally express my feelings and a well placed left hook on his little pointed chin! Small primers in a 45.... What was the ammunition manufacturers thinking of? Their picking navel lint out and stuffing a pillow? Testing their I.Q.'s against a carrot? News flash, the carrot would score higher. .... Oh well, guess we're stuck with some cases with little primers now since some pinhead did the old switch-r-roo! Hope Skippy's little Tommy Tipper drinking cup springs a leak and dribbles his organically enhanced gopher milk all over his penny loafers!

Ranger out....

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Posted: November 22 2016 at 11:46pm | IP Logged Quote STCM(SW)

Yea, I think it sucks. I have to watch what brass I use.
I just don't reload the brass with small primers anymore.

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Posted: November 22 2016 at 11:48pm | IP Logged Quote Kosh75287

Imagine MY horror when I busted a decapping pin on a .45 ACP case, only to find out <dramatic music> it was BERDAN PRIMED! A .45 ACP case with BERDAN priming!?! Now THAT'S just downright UN-American!

I check for the SPP .45 ACP brass, and toss it side into a bucket for cleaning and depriming. I'm a reloading component HOARDER, admittedly, but I keep THOSE handy for a day when I may not have access to Large Pistol Primers, and must still be armed.

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Posted: November 23 2016 at 2:12pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Guess it doesn't matter really. I can't hit a flock of barns 25 feet in front of me..... "Autoitus" , a terrible left shooting disease that cripples folk, and in my case its terminal, has permanently set in. So it makes no difference in the end really. But yes, to quote Mark Twain :

"It's un-American. It's un-English. It is French!"

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Posted: November 23 2016 at 3:01pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Old Ranger, your opening post on this got me laughing pretty hard! Thanks.

Ya, I liked it better when all .45's that I found had conventional large-pistol primer pockets.

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Posted: November 23 2016 at 3:27pm | IP Logged Quote Kosh75287

As I said, I look upon it more as lemonade, than lemons. If I'm out of Large Pistol Primers for some reason, I can still crank out .45 ACP using small pistol primers, to meet any and all demands arising from a "social engagement". ;-)
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Posted: November 23 2016 at 3:33pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

Ranger. Those small primered cases were primes with lead free primers
as I recall. You can also find .45 ACP cases that tale large primers and
have a huge flash hole, also for lead free primers. I just separate the
small primered cases and load them as usual. I also ignore the ones with
the large flash holes and load them as usual. They work just fine. Just a
bit of an ignorable PITA.
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Posted: November 23 2016 at 4:14pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Guy, you bet it was intended as a funny post.
I was having fun with it.

Paul, I had heard the little primers were for indoor shooting stuff and the environmental geeks. Didn't know about bigger flash holes with large too. Now I'm gonna be suspicious of ALL new cases I get! I'm going back to wheelguns and forget this autoloading nightmare! Remind me to smack Skippy around some when I see him.

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Posted: November 23 2016 at 9:18pm | IP Logged Quote joed

Yes, been there and got the T-shirt.   I ran into this back in 2003 when I got my
first 1911.    

When I have primer problems with anything my first suspicion is burden primer
but that small primer got me.   I sat there looking at it trying to make sense of
it.   Supposedly this is for accuracy though I don't know why when the .45 acp
is already accurate.

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Posted: November 25 2016 at 7:19am | IP Logged Quote RT58

Non-toxic primers are only made in the small size. .45 ACP was the only large primer cartridge made lead free so it was cheaper to make the brass different than to make special primers.

These will have the larger than normal flash holes too. This increases the burn rate to make them usable with load data created for normal brass. I haven't heard or seen any small primed brass with larger flash holes so I can't comment on them.
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RT58 wrote:
Non-toxic primers are only made in the small size. .45 ACP
was the only large primer cartridge made lead free so it was cheaper to make
the brass different than to make special primers.

These will have the larger than normal flash holes too. This increases the burn
rate to make them usable with load data created for normal brass. I haven't
heard or seen any small primed brass with larger flash holes so I can't
comment on them.


I was told the small primer was for better accuracy.   No idea if true but your
explanation sounds more like truth, the .45 app never suffered from bad
accuracy.

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Posted: November 25 2016 at 9:36am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

joed wrote:
the .45 app never suffered from bad
accuracy.


Unless it's me doing the shooting. Then it's all low left or just left and all over the place! The cartridge is super but it's me that stinks shooting it! HA!!

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Posted: November 28 2016 at 6:52am | IP Logged Quote Desertrat

Big mistake on the ammo makers part. Oh gee.....let's CHANGE this and see what happens...what pukes!

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Posted: November 28 2016 at 5:42pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I may not be reloading the .45ACP anymore. Cost of primers, bullets, and powder went up. I've found a source of loaded ammo that is 4 cents a round cheaper than what my reloads cost me to make. Makes ya wonder why bother right?

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Posted: November 28 2016 at 7:02pm | IP Logged Quote joed

I have some I don't reload anymore.   223 for the AR is one, 9mm is another
and .30-30.

When I first started shooting the 1911 I wasn't very good. But the guy that sold
it to me taught me how to shoot it. I can actually do better then the revolvers
now.

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Posted: November 29 2016 at 8:27am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yeah, my neighbor across the road received several weapons from his father recently. Of those is a SKS and a Ruger Mini Ranch Rifle. He asked if I can reload those calibers but I told him it was cheaper to buy bulk. Besides I know that he'd sit down and load about 25 rounds then say he has to go home leaving me the bulk to reload. Nice fella but can't sit still for more than 30 min! Extreme short attention span! So yeah, he's buying his ammo for those two.

I had put the pencil to it and found that I can buy .45ACP 230gr FMJ steel cased rounds for 24 cents per round. My cost is now 28 cents and may go up any min. Only way I can beat that is to start casting for the .45 again. I gave my 4 cav 452374 mould to my brother a couple years ago as I wasn't doing any 45 loading at all. Due to the size and weight of the projectile, no one is selling them for a bargin price cast or plated. Only way to keep the cost down is to cast. I honestly didn't want another caliber to cast for these days but it may become neccessary. Of just buy rounds already made.

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I hardly even shoot my .45ACP anymore. Projectile costs are getting worse all the time, and I do not cast my own, but usually buy bulk, 1,000 or more at a time. Not worth the effort to me.

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Posted: November 29 2016 at 2:51pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Hee hee, I just thought of something. ....

If I buy a herd of those steel cased 45ACP when I go to police the brass on my range, all I'll need to do is drag a Whamo Monster Magnet around a bit on a string!

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OOPS!

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Well, for me at least, inspection in an integral part of reloading. I
look at the brass I pick up at the range. I look at the brass as I
put it into the tumbler (in case I miss any steel, alum. or ruined
brass). When the brass is clean I look a little closer, checking
headstamp and in the case of 45 ACP, glance at the primer. A
large pistol primer is .035" larger in diameter than a small pistol
primer and I can tell the difference with a quick look/glance.
Actually, the small primed cases are only a problem for those
that don't inspect their brass.     

I have read many articles/tests of large vs small primer 45 ACP
loads and for all intents and purposes, the difference is
negligible. I just drop the small primed brass in a different can
and when I get a bunch, I reload them just like large primed
brass...

The only thing my "perfect" loading method don't find is them
berdan primers!   

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