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Posted: November 29 2016 at 4:20pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well guys this started out as a "goof post" with humor as the prime (partial pun intended) idea poking fun at the ammo makers using little primers in 45ACP. As long as they go bang I guess I'll be happy.

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Posted: November 30 2016 at 4:48am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

I am a tinkerer with ADHD so I am not really a
progressive type of guy. Far more likely to find a box
of 50 loaded with round balls or a box of fifty 9 mms
loaded wit 38 spl bullets. (minus 5 or ten rounds I
used for testing)
Don't get me wrong I have done progressive reloading
and have a few progressive presses, some ancient in
line and some more modern.
So I will still be loading a lot of my ammo.
BUT, and this is heresy, I have bought a few in bulk
and some even with steel cases which I detest,and
berdan primers, cause I don't care about picking up
"brass" during the great zombie apocalypse.
And all of them are commie brass cause the tolerances
are not so tight.
I also confess to have buying some calibers in bulk
with brass reloadable cases cause dang it they are
cheaper than I can do em for and I wanted the brass.
And I have bought some really nice brass that that has
been made almost totally useless with berdan primers
(7.55 Swiss) Good stuff.

Wade using that magnet to get steel "brass" off the
range is a great idea.

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Posted: November 30 2016 at 12:52pm | IP Logged Quote twillis

Old Ranger wrote:
Hee hee, I just thought of something. ....

If I buy a herd of those steel cased 45ACP when I go to police the brass on my range, all I'll need to do is drag a Whamo Monster Magnet around a bit on a string!


Forget the string! One of the local ranges has a couple of these. They work great.

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Posted: November 30 2016 at 1:35pm | IP Logged Quote mikld

Old Ranger wrote:
Well guys this started out as a "goof post"
with humor as the prime (partial pun intended) idea poking fun at
the ammo makers using little primers in 45ACP. As long as they go
bang I guess I'll be happy.


My apologies, I started typing before I took in all the OP's humor.
I've read so many of the "*&!!&% small primed 45 ACP brass"
threads that I guess I just automatically share my experiences.
Mebbe I should slow down, and smell the roses, and find the
humor
   

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Posted: November 30 2016 at 3:13pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

It's all good. Rant away! We got your six. I was just being goofy with the first post. Sure I think sm primers in a 45 is stupid but what do I know? I volunteered for Vietnam. Twice!
Go nuts and speak your mind. So far, and the last time I checked, I think it's still a free country. I think....

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Posted: December 01 2016 at 2:49pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well I suppose I'll be loading those baby primered 45's after all as I managed a fair deal on some Berry's 230gr RN plated bullets. And since I load 25 to 1 .38Spl to .44Mag and .45ACP, I always try to keep plenty of sm primers handy. I'll be just fine.

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Posted: December 04 2016 at 7:31pm | IP Logged Quote Kosh75287

I wish I'd put them away somewhere, but they're long gone, now. I had some (ten or twenty) .45 ACP cases that took large primers, but the flash HOLES, through which the primer flash travels to ignite the propellant, were nearly the same diameter as the pockets in which the primers were seated. The rounds were loaded (by me) to middling pressures (5.8/Unique/200), so there probably was plenty of safety margin if something did or could have gone wrong.

I've heard of uniforming primer pockets, but not with pistol brass, and I cannot think of a reason why someone would bore out the primer holes so much. Nor can I think of a process in which they would erode so greatly on their own. Has anyone else heard of or seen flash holes like I describe?
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Posted: December 04 2016 at 9:46pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

Most likely they are from lead free primer rounds.

In order to shoot wax bullets in my basement with my revolvers and only using primers for the charge, I had to enlarge the flash holes in order to prevent the primers from backing out and locking up the cylinders. Since there was not enough pressure in the case to overcome the hammer pressure on the primer to push and hold the head back enough to prevent the primers from backing out, the enlarged flash hole helped by reducing the pressure inside the primer pocket itself.

I have not seen any of these lead free rounds but I guess the flash holes are enlarged to allow faster heat from the primer. I have plenty of range pick up cases that also have the enlarged flash holes. So far I have not had any problems by using them and mixing them with other brass in my handloads, but I suppose it would be best to separate them and only use them for lighter loads or for harder to ignite powders.

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Posted: December 07 2016 at 4:38pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Ya know, early .357mag and .38Spl were loaded with both large primers and small ones. With the web-head and balloon-heads it was quite a mess. Some large, some small. Some took less powder to go, others more. Yeah, a real mess. When the ammo industry switched to solid head cases they standardised on small primers.
So in the end I guess I've got no room to squawk! I'll load what I got and not worry about it huh?

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Posted: December 07 2016 at 6:39pm | IP Logged Quote STCM(SW)

My only question is when were .45 ACP ever made using small pistol primers before?????
Yea, "Keep Off My Grass!"
Old guy thinking...... LOL!

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Posted: December 07 2016 at 8:37pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Don't think they were ever loaded with small primers until the ammo industry switched to "being green"! Ha!

And I'll bet that was Guy on your grass. I was home the whole time. You can even ask my dogs and cats. They'll tell ya it wasn't me. I was here casting all day. Honest...

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Posted: December 08 2016 at 6:49am | IP Logged Quote RT58

Kosh75287 wrote:
...I've heard of uniforming primer pockets, but not with pistol brass, and I cannot think of a reason why someone would bore out the primer holes so much. Nor can I think of a process in which they would erode so greatly on their own. Has anyone else heard of or seen flash holes like I describe?

That is not from lead free primers, but Ham Gunner is right, they were probably used for wax or glue bullets with no powder. A flash hole that large would raise your max. pressure real high real fast, even with a mild charge.
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Posted: December 08 2016 at 9:00am | IP Logged Quote Kosh75287

That makes as much sense to me as the other explanations.
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Posted: December 08 2016 at 9:29am | IP Logged Quote RT58

Scrounging brass is part of the game for many handloaders, especially me. But you must use caution because some guys do some strange things with theirs, especially me. I do color code mine with permanent markers and don't leave it lying around though.

I did find some .45 Colt brass at the range once that looked perfectly fine. I cleaned them up and tried to load them, only to find they had been loaded up so hot before they wouldn't hold a primer.
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Posted: December 08 2016 at 1:02pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

That's the prime reason I never picked up brass from a public range. You never know what some idiots load in theirs.
Obvious factory loads fired and dumped in a can at the PD range? A different story.

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Posted: December 09 2016 at 9:53am | IP Logged Quote RT58

Yeah, I loved it when my little PD qualified at the big city PDs range, they didn't pick up anything.

I never go over reputable data limits and very rarely even get to the top of them, but I do have a bunch of .303 British brass with the primer pockets drilled out to fit a shotshell primer.
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Posted: December 09 2016 at 12:22pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Mine was a big PD I guess. We had, before I retired, right at 1400 officers. But range policy was everyone policed brass after shooting. Brass was placed in large containers after sorting by rookies or academy cadets. The Lt. that ran the range was a bud, and I was an armourer as well when needed. Easy pickins huh? But that was 13 years ago. And in my last few years they went all "baby bullets" anyway with 9mm and 40 Short & Weak, so I lost interest.

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1400 officers? That's about 100 more officers than we had residents.

I was our requalification officer and after shooting I'd hand everyone a coffee can and we would police the range, usually cleaner than when we got there. I was the only one that reloaded so nobody else wanted any brass. We could carry anything we wanted as long as the chief approved and we could qualify with it. The PD supplied ammo as long as it was on the Winchester Law Enforcement Program. I have handguns in 9, 40 and 45, but don't shoot them much, since I have to pick up all my own brass now.
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Posted: December 13 2016 at 4:08pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

While on the subject of small primers in .45ACP, I am pleased that the size difference is a moot point when priming with my old 310 tool. In fact it's easier now since if I'm feeling lazy I can just pick up a case, see what size primer is needed and just drop it in place and seat it with the 310. Of course the primed cases are sorted after. I ain't THAT lazy!

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Posted: December 16 2016 at 4:01pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

From way up north, like near the Oklahoma border kinda north, a package was sent to my shack in the east Texas piney woods. Within this particular package was a whole big wad of brand spankin new .45ACP brass. And the kinda .45ACP brass with BIG PRIMER POCKETS too! Came from the Santa that carries a brace of '75 Remingtons!
Thanks amigo!

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