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Posted: November 30 2016 at 6:48am | IP Logged Quote Rex

I've used Hoppe's for a long time and still do. Yesterday I picked up a bottle of #9 and it was "synthetic". Guess I never knew this was happening, sure hope it works as well as the original.
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Posted: November 30 2016 at 8:33am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Rex, the "original" hasn't been around for the past 8 or 10 years. They changed it being pressured by the EPA and weakened it to being a watered down ineffective liquid. I threw the bottle out that I bought a few years ago as it failed miserably. Sorry....

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Posted: November 30 2016 at 3:14pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

And I suspect they even messed up the Hoppes smell.

In the articles section of this forum is an article about how to make Ed's Red bore cleaner as well as gun oil. That is all I have used for years now, to include the oil for the most part.

If you have some transmission fluid, kerosene, paint thinner (or terpentine), and acetone you have it. One part of each. Also, one part transmission fluid and one part kerosene makes a very good all around gun oil for rust free storage.

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Posted: November 30 2016 at 4:07pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I'm not going to make any cleaning agent or oil recommendation as I think folks got sick of hearing me rattle on being the über clean freak I am. But just clean with something and oil em too. That's all I'm gonna say.

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Posted: November 30 2016 at 5:32pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

We were going through a bunch of my dad's stuff and my brother, the gunsmith, found a few bottles of the old stuff that had benzene in it. It really does smell different.

I keep some of the new stuff around, but I use Ed's Red for most cleaning. I made up a gallon of it a few years ago and still have a quart or so. Good stuff.

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Posted: November 30 2016 at 6:05pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

I've used WD-40 to cut the burned carbon of and on for 40 years. Its cheaper and I guess I'll use it full time now. I laugh when I read how it gums up firearms, never had a problem in all those years.
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Posted: December 01 2016 at 2:40pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

To quote Mr. White, of The Daily Plant : "Great Ceaser's Ghost!"!

Not WD40! Nooooooo! Evaporates fast then attracts moisture like a sponge! It's got ZERO lubrication too.

One word....

OIL!


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Posted: December 04 2016 at 11:42am | IP Logged Quote rednekpaul

Rex wrote:
I've used WD-40 to cut the burned carbon of and on for 40 years. Its cheaper and I guess I'll use it full time now. I laugh when I read how it gums up firearms, never had a problem in all those years.


I used WD40 for years to clean my guns. My guns didn`t seem to mind. A buddy had a old .38 special revolver that was rusted and seized up. Soaked it in WD40 overnight and it brought it back to life....Than I found out it attracts water and causes rust
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Posted: December 04 2016 at 12:25pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

WD40 cost an officer his life because all he ever used was that stuff (against all cautions from a Sgt. and the Range Lt.) to stop. His weapon failed to function in a one on one shooting. It was seized up due to rust and corrosion directly caused by WD40. Chief issued a departmental order banning its use and a week suspension for any officer using it. Yeah, it's that bad.

I have WD40 here to remove road tar and spray wasps. Beyond that I have no use for it.

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Posted: December 04 2016 at 7:10pm | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun


I clean my rifle bores with Butch's Bore Shine. It works well when used according to the label.

For lubrication, CLP works well in the AR and I figure it's OK for other guns, too.


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Posted: December 13 2016 at 11:26am | IP Logged Quote MontanaWolf

See if you all were more like me and just do not clean a weapon until accuracy deteriorates, which in my experience happens way before malfunctions start and about every 5000+ rounds on most quality weapons, then you do not have to worry about what to clean it with!

THIS LINK IS SPECIALLY FOR RANGER and I can feel him twitching now,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyho1pd33XE

Here are few more just for you Ranger, that you may like more but will make you twitch.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G6VRFcditk
This one is from other Ranger type folk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Iu8Ii3vjw8
How housewives clean their AR.

Edited to give Ranger more twitches.

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Posted: December 13 2016 at 1:10pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I suppose that you've never attended a funeral for an officer that died in the line of duty as a result of his weapon failing him from poor maintenance. Sorry, I fail to see the humor.

And I don't do YouTube. ....

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Posted: December 13 2016 at 2:00pm | IP Logged Quote MontanaWolf

Sorry to have offended you Ranger, not my intent at all. And no, I never have attended an Officers funeral for that reason. Nor was or am I an Officer.

But I have worked very closely with the LE side of the law in 1 capacity or another since I was 18, as either undercover loss prevention, fire fighter and paramedic and Level 1 Trauma Center ER RN, most in the Chicago or the surrounding Chicago land area and some in the rural MT land. I also served in the US Army as Combat Engr. and while I am officially classified as a Vietnam Vet, I am the 1st to say that is a misnomer because I never saw combat. I only served when it was unofficially over.

But in all that, I never heard of, nor attended, a funeral of an officer who lost his/her life or limb due to that reason. I have heard of many of our finest in the military not being so blessed when the ARs1st cam out.

I have heard both sides of the clean debate with both internet goofs and from reputable sources taking each side. So I decided to try it for myself and have yet to have a malfunction in any weapon, but again I shoot only quality weapons. One of my PPQs have well over 10K rounds through it, from crappoest ammo to the quality ammo, all without a malfunction. Another has malfunctions with 165 gr ammo, flawless with 180s. My wife can shoot my 45ACP and have jambs all day long, where I have none. I assume it is related to grip vs. slide recoil. That S&W Pro shop has at least 6K through it, never cleaned, nor lubed.

And it did not matter if I was in wet areas like Chicago or dry areas like Western MT. But I admit, all my weapons except my carry weapon have always been kept in a safe with a dehumidifier no matter where I lived.

So again, sorry if I offended you, it is just I have never experienced what you have.

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Well guys, I'm done with Hoppes. I refuse to use watered down products. Not
sure what I'll use now but I can tell you what it won't be.

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Posted: December 13 2016 at 5:20pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

You know guys, I tried the new stuff the other day and by golly it did a pretty fair job on my 686 after burning Unique powder. It don't smell quite as nice but it still seemed to work.
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Posted: December 14 2016 at 7:57am | IP Logged Quote joed

Rex, I've always used Hoppes but never paid attention to the formula changing
over the years.   It seems to work but I'm not a fan of formula changes.    My
present bottle of Hoppes is almost empty at this point.    I'll probably look at
replacing it in the near future.   With what I have no idea. This thread has been
an eye opener.

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Posted: December 14 2016 at 9:12am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Joe, the store where I got this had both kinds. Old and new.
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Posted: December 14 2016 at 9:44pm | IP Logged Quote safari100

I use Hoppes Elite. It cleans very well but is odorless, so I always open an old jar of Hoppes just for the smell.

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Posted: December 15 2016 at 10:13am | IP Logged Quote MontanaWolf

I think many of you who have posted in this thread better be very, very careful or the Lady in your life may seduce you into giving her "what ever her heart desires" simply by wearing lingerie with Hoppe's #9 as perfume.

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