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Posted: December 04 2016 at 6:26pm | IP Logged Quote TheLastGoodFigh

I bought a 100rnd box of Hornady .451" .45 CAL XTP 200grn
bullets hoping to lad them up for my Ruger Redhawk .45
Colt. Little did I realize these were made for .45 acp. Am
I up the creek or can I still salvage these for a Colt
round?

P.S.- I bought some Hodgdon TightGroup with it; also
partial to Unique.
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Posted: December 04 2016 at 7:05pm | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

TLGF,

Yep, you got bullets made for the acp. However, LEE makes a "factory crimp die" that may help you put a small crimp groove in the bullet, if you are careful.

If you load these bullets over light loads of powder they may not become a problem. However, if you wind them up they may creep forward and tie up the cylinder.

Or.....you can buy a 1911!


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As said, just get a taper crimp die.   I think Paul788 uses nothing but taper
crimp dies on revolvers, maybe he'll be along.

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Posted: December 05 2016 at 12:09am | IP Logged Quote Kosh75287

You're in good shape with those projectiles.

I've shot a fair number of 200gr. projectiles, intended for .45 ACP, in .45 Colt. The worst result(s) I ever experienced amounted to so-so accuracy with a jacketed bullet of different manufacture. I don't know if you'll have a lot of success getting a roll-crimp on bullets without a cannelure. If you know someone with .45 ACP dies, the seating/crimping die will have a taper crimp and you can use it to apply a taper rather than roll crimp on the .45 Colt case mouths.

I have never used Tight-group, but I've gone through a few buckets of Unique over the years. The .45 Colt and Unique work very well together. Follow published data, but keep in mind that Unique burns more cleanly at higher pressures, and with heavier crimps.

I hope you'll relate your results when you return from shooting them.
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Start load charges, very light roll crimp to remove
bell... shoot em.
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Posted: December 05 2016 at 7:46am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Didn't another feller have the same predicament with his wife buying the same bullet for a 45Colt last week?
I recall the general consensus was the use of a taper crimp.

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You guys are making me feel old.

You can use those bullets with your standard roll crimp die. Seat them deep enough to roll it over the ogive. You have plenty of room in that case that it won't make much difference if they are a little deeper. That is why we start low and work our way up anyway.
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...use those bullets with...standard roll crimp die. Seat...deep enough to roll over the ogive. ...plenty of room in that case...it won't make [a] difference if they are a little deeper. That is why we start low & work...up anyway.


OR you could do THAT. (Feeling slightly dumb)

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Posted: December 06 2016 at 12:17pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Shoot the heck out of them and enjoy em.
Taper crimp if they move under recoil but the recoil
usually isn't much so you may not need it. Use a factory
crimp if you want.
In ancient times when dinosaurs roamed the earth and
some of older members started reloading- the 45 colt was
.454 today they are far more similar to the 45 ACP with
.452.
A lot of 230 gr 45 ACP bullets have gone down the
barrels of the 45 Colt.

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Posted: December 06 2016 at 12:50pm | IP Logged Quote Kosh75287

Since you are shooting your reloads from a Ruger Redhawk, you can exceed factory performance with those bullets.

9.0/Unique/200 is about max without exceeding SAAMI max pressure. I have HEARD of going to 11.5/Unique/200, but I stopped at 10.8/Unique/200 RNFP, because that's where MY RedHawk started grouping well. Anyway, shoot a round or two into a 2 or 3-foot thick stack of wet news
print & check the expansion!
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Posted: December 07 2016 at 9:34am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

You might want to look in the data section of this forum
for some advice but back up the loads with a reliable
manual, and work up slowly.

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Posted: December 08 2016 at 9:14am | IP Logged Quote Kosh75287

Yes, BY ALL MEANS, refer to a manual before taking to heart any data you see related on here. Good catch, REM1875.
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Posted: December 08 2016 at 7:09pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Kosh75287 wrote:
Yes, BY ALL MEANS, refer to a manual
before taking to heart any data you see related on here.
Good catch, REM1875.


Sorry Kosh that wasn't meant to be about your post. I
meant it about the info part of our forum where the load
data is published and just as general statement I always
try and make.
I have noted your load as something I may be interested
in the future, Thanks

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I'm by no means offended! I should have given that disclaimer, as a matter of course. Thanks for your deference, though.
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I use the .50AE bullets for my 500 Mag loads. They don't
have a cannelure either like the .45ACP. I use the Lee
Factory Crimp die and put a good stiff crimp on them. It'll
actually crimp the bullet hard enough to put a cannelure in
the bullet. I've never had one to back out of the casing
and the 500 Mag has a lot more recoil than the .45 Colt.

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Recently, I've been loading some 215 gr. projectiles meant for .45 ACP (thus without a crimping groove) in .45 Colt cases, and have applied a fairly hard taper crimp with a Redding .45 ACP taper crimp die. I'm not certain about creating a cannelure in the un-fired projectile by so doing, but I can report that the bullets stay put, even under recoil generated by a 12.0 gr. charge of AA#5.

If a taper crimp die is made for a 500 S&W (or .50 A&E for that matter), using it in a separate crimping operation will probably anchor the projectile in place without marking its bearing surface. Just a thought.
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I think it was Paul5388 that mentioned at one time that he uses
taper crimps on his revolver cartridges.   Whenever, I managed to
get a box of bullets with no cannelure I thought of the wisdom in
using the taper crimp die.



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I think it was Paul5388 that mentioned at one time that he uses taper crimps on his revolver cartridges.
It's entirely possible that I got the idea from Paul5388.

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Whenever I managed to get a box of bullets with no cannelure I thought of the wisdom in using the taper crimp die.
Initially, it was just a way of fixing a bunch of under-crimped ammo w/o having to disassemble my seating/crimping die (yes, at times, I AM that lazy). I saw immediately that the accuracy was not merely good but excellent. THESE days, I crimp all my revolver rounds, especially competition ammo (I need every break I can get).
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Buffalogun wrote:
Or.....you can buy a 1911!


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The guys got one post & you're already trying to corrupt
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The 1911 is one of my favorites.   Never used to be till I bought one.   
I was indoctrinated with a Kimber Pro Carry II.   

To be honest I like the .45 acp more then the .40 S&W as it doesn't
have the snappy recoil like the .40.

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