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Posted: February 21 2017 at 8:39am | IP Logged Quote M700

Safari brought up a good thought on reverting to (or staying with) the well-proven "old school" cartridges, and I'd commented that I thought there were way too many cartridges on the market now. So much overlap!

But... Some folks really like their new super-zappers, and sometimes I try a really new cartridge as well. Our definition of "old school" may well change, depending on our personal experiences but... I'll offer up some old favorites on which I still happily rely:

Handguns:
.22 long rifle
.38 Special & .357 magnum
9mm - far older than many understand
.44 (mine is the .44 mag, but the Special is even more old school)
.45 ACP - my most often loaded & fired centerfire pistol.
.45 Colt - I don't load or use this one much.

Rifles:
.22 long rifle, my favorite is the Marlin 39A, that's old school!
.25-06 - has been around a surprisingly long time...
.30-30 - a favorite!
.30-06 - over 100 years old, I'd say it qualifies, and frankly it's really the ONLY big game cartridge I really need.
.375 H&H - also been around over 100 years, and big enough for the hunts I dream of

.45/70 - I owned and enjoyed a Marlin for nine years. Cool old rascal, still great!

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It's still the same old story of whose name is on the cartridge. Most of the new cartridges aren't all that new as far as ballistics go, and a good example is the .38-40, which had pretty much died long ago, and the .40 S&W, which is the greatest handgun cartridge ever made.

There's a lot of hype and pure old B.S. when it comes to ammunition and it all comes down to money. But then it's been like that for a long time.
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Posted: February 21 2017 at 3:14pm | IP Logged Quote nhblaze

Old school firearms and cartridges.....

Remington Model 513T 22 lr
Remington model 14 in .25 just .25 NOT .25'06
Marlin model 36 in 32 Win Spl
Winchester model 64 in 30-30
1903 spfld in '06
Mauser '91 in 7.65x53 Belgium Mauser

Favorite handgun, Ruger Blackhawk in 45 Colt

Love that old school stuff   

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Posted: February 21 2017 at 3:34pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Ruger's Blackhawk managed to be both "old school" and brand new at the same time...

Ruger was good about that, look at his Number One rifle!

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Handguns:
.45 Colt
.44 Special
.38 Special/.357 Magnum

Rifles:
.22 Hornet
.45-70
.30-30
.300 Savage
.303 Savage
.35 Remington
.351 WSL

(I have or will soon take game with all of these, the .303 is on the docket for next deer season)

Lately added a .38-55 to the inventory, more to follow on that one.

The good ol' 12 and 20 gauge 2 3/4" loadings still get it done as well as ever too.

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Posted: February 21 2017 at 7:46pm | IP Logged Quote JD45

Lots of old cartridges do stuff so well we really don't need any others. I know how great the 30-06' is, but its boring to me, and I've never owned one.

We need a "cool" old cartridge list.

I'll start.

The .25-35
    .25-20
    .38-55
    .356 Win.

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Posted: February 21 2017 at 9:27pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Ah, now see, I've never been bored with the .30-06 cartridge...

110, 125 or 130 grain bullets at screaming fast velocity... The Nosler 125 Ballistic Tip or Accubond are both legit deer bullets and can be pushed to 3,400 fps! The trajectory to 300 or 400 yards is as good (or better) than most .25-06 loads!

The 180, 200 & 220 grain loads are genuine grizzly loads! Well proven.

Nah, I respect the old warhorse, but it sure doesn't bore me.

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Posted: February 21 2017 at 9:42pm | IP Logged Quote safari100

I my forgetfulness I forgot my 25-06 in the previous thread. It is such a wisbang cartridge I still forget its age.

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Posted: February 21 2017 at 10:41pm | IP Logged Quote JD45

I'll have to give you that. A 125gr. Ballistic tip at 3400fps sounds too good.

I've used the the .257 Roberts for years, and settled on the 100 gr. Ballistic tip. But an old guy told me that the 75gr. Hornady HP kills deer like like lightning, and I need to try it.
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When I read Guy's initial post it started me thinking of what an "old school" cartridge would be. I suppose everyone has their own ideas.

However, looking at cartridge design as a whole, in the late 1800's the cases had a good bit of taper in their sides along with a more shallow shoulder angle and usually longer necks. (think mauser cartridges, 25-35 Win, 30 WCF, 30-40Krag and the .303British) and some others.

Shortly after WWll (late 1940's) case design started changing. Sides became more parallel, shoulder angles were steepened(even radiused) and case necks became shorter. (the .243 Win., along with the Weatherby cartridges are good examples). Also, we can add the "improved" cartridges.

Since then, the short fat cartridges have come on the scene, probably spurred by the accuracy of the PPC cartridges. The desire for greater efficiency has helped too.
Now, it seems the sky is the limit.

I suppose the cartridge I shoot that would be close to a "whiz banger" is the 7mm RemMag. Bought it for taking out west where the shots might be l-o-n-g.

What happens when we blend the "old school" with the "improved"?

Well, let's see...
Most know the .270 Win. is capable of sending a 130gr. bullet out of the muzzle at around 3,100 fps from a 24" barrel. It's a very hot round that runs around 65,000 psi. It needs about 60gr. of powder to do this.
On the other hand I have a 24" barrel for my Contender that is chambered in 30-30AI. This combination is capable of sending the 125gr. Ballistic Tip out of the muzzle at 2,900 fps. using about 39gr. of powder.
That is a top psi load, but the improved case shape can take it. However, I don't run it at this level, normally.

I'd call that a big improvement!

"Old school" cartridges I load are the 30 WCF, 7.7 Jap, .270 Win, 6.5x55 Swede, 45-70, .35 Rem., .30-06, .257AI, 7x57 and the usual non-magnum handgun rounds.

They are a hoot to shoot!



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Aw jeez this list is long..
22lr, 32wcf,38wcf,44wcf,44 sp, 45 colt, 32-40,30
wcf,7x57,243,270,3006,308,35 rem,405 win, 40-70 ss, 40-65,44-77,45-
70,45-90,44-90st,43 egyptian, 50-70.

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22LR, one the greatest of the great.

38 Special, 44 Special, 45 ACP & Colt.

30-30, 30-06, 303, 45-70.

Some which are old school to me 'cause of what I see on
the range & the things people say:

357 Mag, 22-250, & like Guy said: 9MM.

Now days I'm feeling old school when I show up with a
bolt action rifle or any revolver. Go figure.   

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7.62x54 rimmed has been around since 1891 and is still fairly common today. I just picked up a carbine variant and have started casting and loading for it. Otherwise, I love older cartridges and have 38/357, 45LC, 45ACP,45-70,38-55 and 270, all of which I cast and load for.

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By far, I shoot 22LR the most. I'd say my 10/22 and MKII get the most attention. I can spend all day with them and not get bored. Anyone young to old can handle them and even with high ammunition costs, it's still cheap to shoot.
12ga shot shells. Between turkey shoots all winter and a little sporting clays here and there, my Mossberg 500 has stood up to 20+ years of dependable service. Bought and sold a few in between, but the old 500 stays with me (it was the first firearm I bought on my own).
38 special is my summer daily carry in a Ruger LCR.
I've got a CMP Garand in 30-06, bought it for the history, but still try to get it out a couple times a year. I just run Greek HPX M2 through it, gives me an excuse to go to Camp Perry once in a while.
Years ago, I bought dad a Winchester Ranger 94 in 30/30. When his health started to deteriorate, I got it back. Now that he is gone, I find myself grabbing this rifle much more than I normally would. Go figure, I might have to start reloading for it!
All my 1911's are chambered in 45ACP.
How about 32 S&W? My H&R 632 is quite a lead shaver!

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You guys are making me feel bad. I have plenty of .22 ammo but haven't pulled the trigger on that rifle in years. Wish it were a bolt gun instead of auto, then I could use up some of the shorts and longs that I have in the shop.
I do own and sometimes hunt with a 30-06 but usually leave it home in favor of an old 6.5x55 carbine.
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Oldest old school would have to be my 45/70. Also have a 30.06, 44 mag,357mag and of course a couple of 22s. Does my 10mm and 41 mag count?

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Seem to have gotten most of the old school cartridges, but there are a few more I'm sure.   

One that comes to mind for me is the .300 H&H Mag. It would be the left most cartridge in the picture.




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I've always had an itch for a .300 H&H and almost bought one about a year ago. Always seemed to be a much more interesting cartridge than the other .30 caliber magnums, most of which are simply ridiculous in my opinion. The .300 H&H held all the long range accuracy records for a long time.

What rifle are you shooting it in, Joe? Seems like normal length actions won't handle it.

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Handgun: 44 Mag/Spl, 357/38, 380ACP, 9mm, 40S&W, 10mm,
357Sig, 9x25Dillon, 45ACP

Rifle: 22LR, 30-30, 30'06, 308Win, 223/5.56, 357Mag,
44Mag, 458 SOCOM

Muzzleloaders: 45 and 50

While some of these aren't Old School, they are now a
part of the fabric of firearms history...The only one I
don't reload for is the 22LR.

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