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Posted: March 11 2017 at 4:57pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Anyone play with the old 38/44 loads anymore? I've been messing with them, not Mr. Keith's load but the original specs. 2400 with the 358429 and 358477 150 grain bullet proves quite accurate. I read a lot of the old manuals and it seems Unique was also used for this load equivalent. I shoot mine in an L frame Smith as I can't afford a real N frame .38 Special.
If you haven't played with them give it a try, it's lots of fun if nothing else.
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Posted: March 11 2017 at 5:11pm | IP Logged Quote JD45

I used to in a .357mag, using .38Spl. cases.

I tried lots of Keith's loads. 2400 is very accurate in some guns.
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I made up some loads from a old manual.
Shoot them in my S&W HD.
Lettered to August, 1931.
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Think the load was 12 gr of 2400 with a lead KSWC 158 gr.

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Posted: March 11 2017 at 5:33pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

STCM, what a beautiful piece! I loaded some 12 grains of 2400 with the 358429 173 grainer in a 38 special case.
Next I'm going to try that load with a 150 grain 358477.
Accuracy with the Keith bullet was very good. I probably should up the powder 1/2 grain but I have a bit of arthritis in the wrist and like to keep things comfortable.
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You know the original owner was POed that a few month's later that S&W came out with adjustable sights Outdoorsman, so he had his added Micro front & rear sights.

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Posted: March 11 2017 at 6:16pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

I like it. Do you recall what the loads were that you made for it?
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12 gr of 2400 with a 160 gr KSWC I mold.

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What an awesome sixgun
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I like when I have as my side arm hunting that someone says "It's only a 38."
I just smile and say "yea"


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Posted: March 12 2017 at 6:57am | IP Logged Quote John P.

I have used the 358429 with 12 grains of 2400. I also wanted to go a
little higher, but didn't get around to it. I have seen the load published
to 13 grains.

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Posted: March 12 2017 at 7:32am | IP Logged Quote Rex

John, I have used Skeeter Skelton's load with the 358156 GC bullet and it is a real shooter. Even tried Elmer's 13.5 grain load with his big bullet but my old wrist liked it a bit lighter.
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My first centerfire handgun was an S&W 38/44 outdoorsman. I got it
for my 16th birthday. The year was 1954. I did work up some serious
loads for the gun, Lyman #358156 with Hercules 2400. Gun was loud
and hit hard. Last forward to July 4th 1959, church young adult
campout for the holiday weekend. About 2 AM, screams, yelling
confusion. Seems a bear decided to have one of the young ladies in
the camp for dinner. The only gun in camp was my Outdoorsman. The
bear died and the young lady require many stitches after a mad dash
to the nearest hospital. My girl friend and I broke up our camp and got
to of Dodge. We were quite close to Yosemite National Park and were
not sure if we were inside the line out outside. The Feds frowned
mightily back then on guns in the park IIRC. I still wonder what in hell I
was thinking, running up to a carnivore and shooting it in the head with
a .38 Spl.
I sadly sold that gun a few years later, probably to pay some overdue
bill. It took me years to find another one that was as nice as my original
gun. I probably just shoot regular .38 Spl. loads in it in deference to it
age. If I want .357 Mag. performance these days, I shoot my S&W
M28.
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Posted: March 14 2017 at 6:23pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

I've found a light .38 special load that, in my 686, even makes me look good and the heavy .38 load is pretty good but I have yet to find a .357 load with any of my cast bullets that I've just fallen in love with.
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Good grief Paul! That's an opening story for a book.

This site ain't dead by no means. Too much life experience here.

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Posted: March 15 2017 at 3:07pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

Rex wrote:
I've found a light .38 special load that, in my 686, even
makes me look good and the heavy .38 load is pretty good but I have
yet to find a .357 load with any of my cast bullets that I've just fallen in
love with.


A load that has worked quite well in every .357 I've had was the Lyman
#358477 150 gr. bullet over 14.0 gr. of A2400. My pet load uses the
Lyman #358156 gas check bullet over the same 14.0 gr. of A2400.
FWIW, one of the biggest mistakes I ever made was selling my 4" 686.
Still looking for a decent replacement.
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Posted: March 15 2017 at 3:32pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Paul, I finally tried the 358156GC bullet today but put them over 7.3 grains Unique because I have so much of that powder on hand. It's no barn burner but it sure shot nice when I could do my part. I'll give that 2400 a try.
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