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Posted: March 12 2017 at 1:56am | IP Logged Quote jski


I've been using Hodgdon's H110 exclusively for my .30 Carbine
Blackhawk and rifles (M1 Carbine). It's a great powder and there's
plenty of data on its application for the .30 Carbine Blackhawk.

I'd like to try something non-Hodgdon in addition. What about AA#9 v.
AA4100? Is there data for these powders for my application?
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Posted: March 12 2017 at 4:36am | IP Logged Quote Rex

JSKI, I can welcome you to the forum but I can't help you much with the 30 Carbine. If nobody jumps in with some information, I wouldn't hesitate to contact Accurate and ask for some advice. I've found these companies can be very helpful.
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Posted: March 12 2017 at 5:21am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I used 2400 for the .30 Carbine in an M1 Carbine. Haven't loaded for a Blackhawk yet, but I would think it would be as good or maybe better in a pistol than a rifle.

Dad did a lot of reloading and shooting with the Blackhawks in .30 Carbine, I'll ask him next time I talk to him.

Incidentally, 2400 is darn useful stuff for a lot of things, good to have some around.

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Posted: March 12 2017 at 6:26am | IP Logged Quote dahlin

My Speer#13 manual lists a starting load of IMR 2400 at 11.7 grand a max load at 12.7 Win 296 at start load 14.5 gr at 1415fps and a max at 15.5gr at 1527fps hope this helps. Randy
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Posted: March 12 2017 at 6:31am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I think 2400 will work better than H110/Winchester 296 (same powder) at less than max loads too.

What bullet are you planning to use?

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Posted: March 12 2017 at 7:48am | IP Logged Quote jski

I use 115 gr. Linotype, gas checked bullets (courtesy of Montana Bullet
Work). Now these I use exclusively for my Blackhawk.

My recipe:
    1) 14 -15 gr. of H110
    2) 115 gr. Linotype, gas checked bullets
    (Montana Bullet
    Works
    ) or 110 gr. plated bullets (Berry's)
    3) Starline brass
    4) CCI small rifle mag primers


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Posted: March 12 2017 at 9:41am | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

AA-#9 is what the military used in their ball .30 carbine ammo. I have bought several jugs of WC-842 military surplus powder pulled from .30 carbine ammo from Jeff Bartlett over the years, but I don't think he has anymore available.

Lot to lot will have a very slight difference in burn rate, but this surplus powder looks and loads almost identical to AA-#9 from my testing and the military load was 13.5gr. for their 110gr. FMJ ball ammo. Every lot change could vary a bit so work up to that level for safety if using AA-#9. I think you will like the Accurate #9 powder, but it is an extremely tiny ball powder and it reportedly binds up some powder measures somewhat. I never had problems using my #55 Lyman.

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Posted: March 12 2017 at 12:35pm | IP Logged Quote CDE

I have always used #9 with Magnus 100 gr
swc BB around 13 grains & have had
excellent luck. I have never tried 4100
but it might work. I have also used 2400
SR-4756 Unique & Imr-4227 with pretty good
luck.

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Posted: March 12 2017 at 12:43pm | IP Logged Quote CDE

I forgot to add if you goto Western
Powders website you can download their
loading guide. It's full of useful info

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Posted: March 12 2017 at 4:07pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I have quite a few molds for .30 caliber bullets. Gonna have to get out that Blackhawk I inherited and give her a try.

Never knew AA#9 was what the military loaded Carbine ammo with. I'd always heard they used H110.

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Posted: March 12 2017 at 9:29pm | IP Logged Quote jski

Wikipedia: "H110 was surplus .30 carbine powder introduced in 1962
for loading the .30 carbine and magnum revolver cartridges."

BTW, I've read on another website that AA#9 burns dirty. Any truth to
this?

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Posted: March 13 2017 at 4:24am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

No idea about AA #9, but I always roll my eyes about this when people say this about Unique. It's a combustion process, it's gonna leave some soot. Doesn't hurt anything and it isn't corrosive, just clean the gun when you're finished shooting. Especially in this case, not to many guns out there easier to clean than a single action revolver.

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Posted: March 13 2017 at 6:01pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

My experience with AA-#9 is that it burns quite clean in my .357 and .44 magnum revolvers. My own cast 215gr. gas checked bullet for my .44 mag. 94 Win. worked really well with this powder as well and it gave me 1,900 fps with excellent accuracy.

I would think that reduced loads would be a bit dirty about like any ball powder with loads reduced enough to hinder it's proper burning. Mag primers would likely be best to use with it as well.

I done a bit more checking and from what I found, the military has used several powders for the .30 Carbine during it's long history since 1940. All the surplus powders that I found were labeled WC-820 but they apparently were not all the exact same powders. One lot of WC-820 used 14.0gr. of the powder in their ball 110gr. FMJ and that was likely closer to H-110 in burning rate. One was even said to be more like W-571/HS-7 in burning rate. One was said to be 13% faster than H-110.

The last lot that I got was recently pulled and only a small amount was available, but apparently came from older ammo and it used 13.5gr. with the ball 110gr. FMJ. It compared to AA-#9. I think most of the .30 carbine surplus ammo has been salvaged as the WC-820 is not being sold anymore by any of the surplus distributers that I have checked out.

I pulled a few hundred 100gr..30 cal. carbine tracer rounds that were stamped Lake City 1953 and they had powder that looked more like pictures that I have seen of W-630, but I have no way of comparing it since W-630 was discontinued long before I started reloading which was in 1973.

I would think that about any fast ball pistol powder in the same ball park in burning rate as H-110, AA-#9, and even as fast as the now discontinued HS-7 should work with careful workups and there should be reloading data still around to use. Perhaps older manuals could help as well.

My 1970 Speer #8 shows 4227, 2400, 630P, H110, AL-7, and Herco as powders that they tested. In their description of the cartridge they stated that the U.S. Army load had 12.4gr. of what they called Hercules Carbine powder behind a 110gr. FMJ for a velocity of 1,975 fps.
   



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Posted: March 14 2017 at 4:57pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

I've played a little with Unique in the .30 Carb, Blackhawk. Bullets were
various 100 to 120 gr. in weight with the 120 gr. SAECO being about the
most accurate. Charge was 5.0 gr. of Unique but I had the feeling it
might be a bit too hot. I was looking for a small game load at the time.
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Whatever you do if you use military brass in that
BlackHawk trim them.
I have found various lengths even in factory loaded ammo
and it has created head aches.
So far I have tried 2400- h-110, unique, and some
surplus H-116 I believe.
I will check notes tomorrow if I can.
I am hoping to try some 30-30 110 and 125 grs next go
round as I think these will be some real winners.
Most have been 130 gr cast.
I also have my eye on trying out some 86grs I have for
the 7.62x25.

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Posted: March 15 2017 at 2:57am | IP Logged Quote jski

I've stuck pretty much with Starline brass since they 1st introduced it for
the .30 Carbine a few years back. No case length issues. But you'd
expect that from Starline.

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jski wrote:
I've stuck pretty much with Starline brass
since they 1st introduced it for
the .30 Carbine a few years back. No case length issues.
But you'd
expect that from Starline.


Good to know- most of mine are Mil Surp

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