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Posted: March 16 2017 at 5:21am | IP Logged Quote cpg

Appreciate all the info.
When looking over CE Harris info, that gallery load looks pretty interesting. Indicates using 5 grains Bullseye or equivalent under a 125gr bullet making 900-1000 FPS.
This thread recommended around 8-9 grains Unique for 135gr. Any idea what FPS it would achieve?
The use of light 30 carbine bullets is catching my eye as well. I'm not sure how it would feed through a tube magazine, but might be fun to mess around with.

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cpg,

The following chart was put together by C. E. Harris and is from an American Rifleman reprint.




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I'd guess a charge of Unique like that would get around 1400 FPS, .22 LR velocities.

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Thanks for the info, everyone.

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Posted: March 27 2017 at 1:14pm | IP Logged Quote cpg

Slowly but surely, now to dummy up some cases and find the lands!


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Only thing I see that might be a problem is the one on the far left doesn't have a crimping groove, which may not be a problem. A little 115 grain bullet ought to be fun, but you may want to single load them.

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Hi all:) I have shot many 30 M1 Carbine bullets in 30-30 WCF 311410 RN / 31108 FP in both Winchester 94 & Marlin 336 used Red dot and Hercules 2400 & I have not had any problems with ( except light crimp ! Check by Pushing bullet with your thumb    ) Fun and cheap to shoot ! Have fun and be careful of double charges!   Joe

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I have shot light bullet loads in the .30-30 like that with no crimp, but in single shots. Tube magazines pose a possible problem with pushing bullets in, but try it once or twice to find out. Neck tension alone may be enough to prevent that and I seriously doubt you'll have any jump crimp under recoil because there won't be much with little bullets and light loads.

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I'm a little concerned with the lack of groove as well, but the Lee pacesetter set includes the crimp die that can still put a crimp on it (so they say). I will keep an eye out for bullet setback. If I have to feed one at a time, that's not a problem.
I am more concerned with the double charge potential but plan on hand weighing the charges and inverting each primed case prior to powder.



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I have a 94 from 1966 that was used by a mounted police unit where
I live.   Really like the gun but just don't shoot it enough.    Have the
dies and 2 Lyman molds for it but haven't even gotten to the part of
reloading it yet.     

I've started planning and thought I'd start out with Varget. There are
others but I just happen to have a good supply of Varget.

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Posted: March 29 2017 at 4:56am | IP Logged Quote cpg

Seated the 3 bullet sizes last night. I mic'd 5 bullets of each weight out of the 100 count boxes, all at .309". Individual weights were within +/- 1gr, wasn't too impressed with that.
I set the 135 & 155 grain bullets to the crimp groove, ended up with 2.515". Factory Winchester 150gr power points are at 2.535", so I might try to extend them out if accuracy is a problem.
The 115gr bullet would not chamber until it was set to 2.385", seems a little short to me but letting the bullet tell me where to seat it. Neck tension seems to be holding it in place in the absence of the crimp groove. I didn't try it in the tube since I didn't crimp the dummy rounds.




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I like the looks of those.

Are you thinking of hunting with them? Is the lead soft enough to expand readily?

I've done a little hunting with lead bullets, but not much, and not with the .30-30 cartridge.

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I've shot a lot of cast in the 30-30. Mostly range and plinking fun these
days although in years back I did hunt deer with them. Winchesters
can be a bit fussy with cartridge length and 100 and 110 gr. cast
bullets make for a too short cartridge and do not feed in my 1894's and
M64 Winchesters. They do feed fairly well in a Marlin 336 though and
are no problem in the Winchester M54 which is a bolt action rifle.
I haven't done much with them lately as I need to cast bullets but my
pot fried so am kinda stuck till I buy a new one. The one bullet that
doe work very well in all three types is an SAECO 120 gr. round nose
with a bevel base. I found out that if you're real careful, you can even
seat a gas check on that one. I shoot all the light bullets, 100 to 120 gr.
with a charge of 5.0 gr. of Unique and a quarter square of toilet paper
lightly tamped against the power to hold it in place. Shooting into the
wind is fun when the TP comes back at you as light confetti. Loads are
accurate enough to terrorize jackrabbits and other small critters.
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Your three bullets looked to be all plain based. If you want to push them above about 1400 FPS, you'll probably need to use gas checked bullets to get good accuracy and prevent any leading. If you're not hunting with them, what you have will work fine.

The general wisdom is you should select a bullet type that can be seated such that the base will not go below the neck and into the case because the powder burning can cause gas cutting and such. I have found that to not always be true and it sometimes works out well seated below the base of the neck. Most likely not a problem, one of the beauties of the .30-30 for cast is that it has a very long neck.

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