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Posted: March 21 2017 at 11:37am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Anytime I push a lead bullet with 13.5 grains 2400 in my 357 I lead the barrel. Not so much at the back end but the front half of the barrel. I'm assuming this is a sign of improper lubrication? I use either White Label 45-45-10 or my home made beeswax and Vaseline mix. No real difference in the leading with either. Any suggestions?
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Posted: March 21 2017 at 11:50am | IP Logged Quote dahlin

Rex I like my 11.5gr of 2400 with a 158gr SWC gc I don't know how it would be with out the gc I use a light coat when I size and install the gc and a light coat after it works for me. I am having trouble finding any 2400 around here so have tried Herco with good results also.
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Posted: March 21 2017 at 12:36pm | IP Logged Quote mikld

"Normally", leading at the breech end of the barrel indicated too
small bullets. Leading concentrated neater the muzzle end
suggests poor lube (lube "running out" before the bullet exits
the barrel) Barrel leading, from cone to the muzzle
is often from the bullet "skidding", not grabbing the rifling.

Measure your cylinder throats. Measure your bullets. For good
clean shooting lead bullets sizing/purchasing bullets of the
same diameter as the throats is best.

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Posted: March 21 2017 at 1:38pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Rex, I use standard NRA formula soft lube and sometimes Le Liquid Alox. I don't get leading very often, basically never. Have you tried some other types of lube?

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Posted: March 21 2017 at 2:04pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

I didn't say that quite right. The gas check bullet doesn't lead much at all. I may try some unsized bullets and I'll have to go to town and try something else for lube.
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Posted: March 21 2017 at 3:53pm | IP Logged Quote dahlin

Rex I forgot to say on my other post but I also use liquid Alox and it has worked well. Randy
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Posted: March 21 2017 at 4:26pm | IP Logged Quote Rigmarol

We use Lee Liquid Alox for the .357 cowboy loads and get
good results from the six guns and in the lever rifles.


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Posted: March 21 2017 at 5:04pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Rex, have you tried the Ben's Red recipe? Seems all the stuff for it is available at most auto parts stores and it's cheap. A lot of guys rave about it, I'll probably try a batch when I run out of what I currently have which will take a while.

I never shot 2400 much behind plain based cast, seems they work better with lighter charges of faster powder. I got four or five pounds of Alcan 120 about a year ago and have been having some success with it in the .357 with cast. Burns about like Red Dot which is pretty fast for magnum pistol cartridges. My go to powder most of the time in the .357 is Unique.

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Posted: March 21 2017 at 5:49pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Rich, I think you are probably correct. I'm just trying to push the lead bullet too fast. Think I should probably drop back to 6-6.5 grains Unique. I'm sure that load will kill all the tin cans and the occasional rattle snake I might shoot.
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When I started casting bullets I was given a good education by a few
people.    I was told if you had good lube you should see it coming
out the muzzle of the gun.   If that doesn't happen the lube is no
good.

I used to use Magma lube and never had a complaint. After firing a
revolver I could see it coming out the muzzle but it was never messy.   

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Posted: March 22 2017 at 7:35pm | IP Logged Quote STCM(SW)

I also use Lee Liquid Alox and don't seem to have a leading problem in any caliber I mold for.

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You didn't mention what bullet.   From my casting days I noticed
bullets like the 358421 have a generous lube groove while others do
not.     

I never really fooled with many lubes staying with what magma
offered.   It worked well for me.

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Posted: March 23 2017 at 2:11pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Rex is using either a 358429 or mostly a 357446 (which has a thick base and two lube groves.

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Posted: March 23 2017 at 5:08pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Boys as old as I am I learn something every day. I think most of my problem is/was bullet size/fit. My 357446 drops around .3585, I was sizing .357 to match my throats. I changed sizer to .358 basically I'm loading as cast with my sizer just taking the seams of the blocks off. I wouldn't think that much size would make much difference but it sure did. Most of my problem in that regard is gone, now for the problem of old age..........

Edit to put proper mould number down.

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Posted: March 27 2017 at 1:54pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Rex, sounds like ya got it whipped. Glad to hear it!

This morning I ran out of the NRA 50/50 lube I was using. Was sizing and lubeing some old school RN 358250's and came to a screeching halt at 30 when the old 450 bottomed out. The outfit I bought that lube from is now extinct. Thinking on some BAC from White Label or maybe Glenn's newest Blue Carnuba lube.
Gonna wait until the retirement check hits the bank then stock up again. Kinda want to try that blue....

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Posted: March 27 2017 at 2:16pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

I'm interested in how that works to.
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Ok. Done deal amigo. Friday I'll order up some blue carnuba lube. Glenn says it's like his red but works without the need of a heater on your lubrisizer device. Obviously a softer room temp style. Just my style. I'll have a SITREP on it soon.

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Ain't gonna happen. Couldn't get my order to go through. So no new blue lube.... God, how I hate technology. ...

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Posted: April 03 2017 at 5:24am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Vaseline and Bees wax still works pretty good.
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Posted: April 03 2017 at 7:07am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yup!

I found a stick of the old black Lyman Ideal lube among some stuff last night. It'll do until I can get on eBay and find some lube. Just couldn't get the order to go through at the White Label site.

So many of my own concoctions have sorta worked and some not that I've grown gun shy and don't trust myself making lube. The only one that kinda worked was a forgotten blend of bees wax and paste wax. Dipped base first to the top of the lube grooves in melted wax then when still not 100% stiffened run through a 310 bullet sizing chamber. But man is that slow! Actually more messy than slo. Oh well. What's my hurry anyway?

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