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Posted: 30 March 2017 at 4:53pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

Fired my new toy today. I tried three different cast bullets and it seemed to like them all with the right charge of Unique. It shot decently well with the 225gr. Lyman 429215gc with 7.5gr. Unique and the 255gr. 429421 Keith bullet with 7.0gr. Unique. I did not chronograph the loads but estimate that the 225gr. was doing around 800fps and the big Keith 255 was likely 750fps.

The front sight is the same gray color as the fixed rear so I was having a bit of trouble seeing the sights clearly, but managed about 4" groups at 25yds with both loads. I hope to do better after I dab a bit of bright colored fingernail polish on the front sight for contrast.

The narrow grips sting the hand a bit, but control is positive. I may check into some softer and possibly slightly rounder grips such as Hogue to better fit the hand.

Both double action and single action trigger pull was amazingly smooth and crisp. No creep and even the double action pull was unexpectedly light. All in all, a great little pocket five shooter for the price. Weight is only 21 oz. empty so a bit of recoil was to be expected.

Stainless steel barrel, cylinder, and frame with aluminum trigger guard and grip frame. The 2 1/2" barrel has an eight groove rifling with 18 1/2" twist. Cylinder rotates clockwise with a very positive lockup. The cylinder throats seem to be around .431 or so and cast is going to work quite well.

On Duty Bulldog

Edited by Ham Gunner on 30 March 2017 at 5:04pm


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Posted: 30 March 2017 at 5:49pm | IP Logged Quote joed

There is a whole section in the archives for loading the Bulldog by
Stuffit, Paul and a few others.   I know this because I ended up
buying a Bulldog.   Mine was promptly sold after the first outing with
it, it was that bad that I didn't even consider it safe to shoot.

But, I ended up buying a Taurus 445 that is a better made version.   
The consensus was 200 gr bullets but I do not remember the loads.

It's called "Getting the Bulldogs Out".    Found it but it won't display.
This place needs some work.

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Posted: 30 March 2017 at 6:38pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

Yes, there was a few years after the original company went bankrupt that the new owners had a lot of quality control issues, from what I have read, to include a lot of guns actually blowing apart.

I think the newest owner of the company has addressed this problem and they are once again a decent gun. Lightweight, but quality control is now dependable. Mine seems to be very good. The trigger is especially pleasing and that was quite surprising to me.

Not a S&W or a Colt, but certainly dependable for self defense and concealed carry.

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I've had a Bulldog about 15 years and like it a lot. Mine is an early one, probably late '70s and I have had no problems with it. For what it is, it is a very good little gun.

Dad gave me a bunch of Lyman 180 grain wadcutters he cast up and those light bullets make that little gun a lot more pleasant to shoot. Gonna try some round balls in it some day.

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I got a Bulldog right after they caught "The Son Of Sam" killer.
Just not my kind of 44 Spl.
Mine now is a S&W M696.
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Posted: 30 March 2017 at 10:35pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

She is a beauty HAM GUNNER- Nice
That Charter Arms Bull Dog has fascinated me since I
first heard of them when I was younger-

But I opted for the PIT BULL 40 S&W which really sees
a lot of carry around here.
Yeah she is a bit of a handful, but manageable and
shooting it has not deterred me from carrying it one
bit. Took me forever to find one.
I am really happy with it.
Also single action shooting is so ingrained in me
it's damed near automatic so I prefer the hammer

Why do I carry it? Well charter arms does not make a
10mm Mag (thank Heavens)-YET
And two cause no one makes an ankle holster for the
460 S&W or BFR yet

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Posted: 31 March 2017 at 7:11am | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

The "On Duty" model like the one I have does have an exposed hammer, but it is like the S&W Bodyguard and is just barely exposed. Just enough to shoot single action if desired. The "Off Duty" model does not have an exposed hammer and is double action only.

Charter Arms paperwork says that this Bulldog model is rated +P, but due to it's light weight I doubt that it will ever see any loads heavier that the standard old .44 Special.

Nick, I would be willing to trade.
Yep, the 696 is nice and I might one day manage to get one. Yours would likely be a bit more pleasant to actually shoot once in a while. I will likely just do a bit more playing around with loads until I find the one that this little Bulldog prefers and then it probably will not get shot a whole bunch, but carried a lot.

Charter Arms now offers the Pit Bull chambered in .45 ACP, .40 S&W, and 9mm as well as models chambered in 22LR, 22 Mag, 32 H&R mag, 38 Spec., and 357 Mag. They even make them in colors such as pink or tiger striped.

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I have a Taurus 445 too. I like the gun but the grip is the worst I have ever seen and the only replace I could find is by Hogue and isn't even worth considering. (That's just my personal opinion and not meant to sway anyone else's.)

Anyway, what I really wanted to say is that I shoot .44 Russians' out of it a lot. They are very comfortable, even with those lousy grips.
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I loved my Taurus 445, it was everything the Bulldog should have
been.   Sadly I sold it 6 years ago when I realized the ammo is
expensive and only 5 shots.   Right about then I got the GLOCK 26

That was the first Taurus I ever liked and owned.   Mine was ported.
I was never a fan till owning that gun.

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Posted: 31 March 2017 at 2:07pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Very nice, Ham. A few years back I looked into getting a Bulldog for my wife (long story) but I could never find one to put my hands on (or hers) to get a feel for it.

Enjoy for me!

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Posted: 31 March 2017 at 2:18pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Charter Arms also made their revolvers in another
caliber recently
Several weeks ago I got my Charter Arms 'Patriot' 327
Federal Magnum with knife. I wish I had bought them
when it first came out but I am still happy.
The wooden grips were too nice to leave on so I got
charter arms {hogue style) grips for it
It is externally almost identical to my Pitbull 40 S&W
other than having patriot on the barrel.

I prefer my Charter Arms over my wifes Taurus 327
Federal Mag although both are very similar

Sadly Charter Arms like a host of other companies
dropped the 327 Federal Mag when ammo dried up during
the war. (damn you federal) When boxes of 50 dried up
and no brass was available most of us were not going
to pay that price for 20 rds for casual plinking (when
it could be found) So it died on the vine, Ruger
recently started to show interest in the round.
Starline now makes brass.
So who knows

Charter Arms now makes quality guns with a growing fan
base with lifetime warranty.

About older Charter arms ----

Can Charter Arms repair my old Charter firearm?

Yes. There is a $49.95 charge that covers all
shipping, handling, and labor. There is also a charge
for any additional parts.
Pretty good deal I think.

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Posted: 31 March 2017 at 2:41pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

REM,

I think I've said this before in another post, but Henry is making a .327 Fed lever gun. 2017 is the first production year.

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KinleyWater wrote:
REM,

I think I've said this before in another post, but
Henry is making a .327 Fed lever gun. 2017 is the
first production year.


I am like an impatient kid in my youth at the mail
box after mailing in box tops and waiting my 8-12
weeks for it to show up.
Around the first of the year, then Feb, then March.
Now April !?!?! dammit- when will they release it !!!
I want it and I want it now!!!
Going off to kick things

Oh BTW yes I am aware they are supposed to be
releasing one soon- Thank you Kinley....

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I have always scratched my head about the .32 H&R and .327 Fedeeral. I like .32 revovers, but always seems like both of those went way beyong diminishing returns for the caliber.

That said, both seemed like they'd be great small rifle cartridges. The .32-20 was a popular chambering in the '92 Winchester for good reason.

Personally, I'd like a slim, light, single shot rifle in either caliber.

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Reloading the 32-20 for 1873 Win and 30 carb for a Ruger
and a couple of carbines got me wondering about the 32
H&R -add on a few rounds for the 32 ACP and making ammo
for the 32 French Long, and then around that time this
new round shows up and SET- hook, line and sinker---
gaffed.
I got one and found ammo- It was for my wife, mind you
and I liked it so I got one and then another and then a
few more and then it became a collection and ......

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A late friend of mine chose a Bulldog for his SD firearm but even the
recoil of factory ammo was a bit much for him. I have an old Lee mold
that cast a 208 gr. wadcutter andI helped him make up a defense load
that didn't hurt his almost 80 year old hands. IIRC, it was something like
6.0 gr. of Unique with that bullet. We also changed grips as I recall.
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I know the Taurus was designed for 200 gr bullets. It shot standard
200 gr ammo remarkably well.   With the porting I could even make
followup shots.

I probably should never have sold that gun but sometimes we don't
make good decisions.

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The new Charters have greatly increased QC. The old "Stratford" guns
were bad at one point. I had a chance to order from the factory years
ago, but declined. Several people I knew got the blued .44 Bulldog. The
triggers were gritty and heavy, and the guns shot loose.

The new "Shelton" guns are a whole different story. Much better with
smooth actions. I am waiting for my Charter "off duty" in .38 Special to
arrive.

If I needed something smaller than the S&W Mountian revolver in .44, it
would be a Bulldog.

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joed wrote:
I know the Taurus was designed for 200 gr bullets. It shot standard
200 gr ammo remarkably well.   With the porting I could even make
followup shots.

I probably should never have sold that gun but sometimes we don't
make good decisions.


I have a Taurus .44 Special, can't remember the model number, but 3" barrel and fixed sights. Neat gun but hits high with everything I'd shot in it. Have to find the lightest weight .4 slugs I can find and see what they do.

I think I have some Glaser rounds I got years ago for the Bulldog and don't remember shooting. Those had very light projectiles and everybody said always shot way low. Maybe I need to shoot some in the Taurus and see.

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Rich, I had one of the badly produced Bulldogs and I do remember the manual recommended 200 gr bullets.   Same with the Taurus.

This be what the Taurus 445 looked like.    The only Taurus I ever liked.




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