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Posted: April 22 2017 at 4:07pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Gents,

I have a new out of the box Rock Island 1911 in 10mm that I am having an issue with. With the one and only magazine inserted, when I chamber a round, it dislodges the magazine; effectively turning it into a single shot pistol. Also, this will only seat the mag fully when at slide-lock.

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At the range, I tried using various numbers of rounds in the magazine to see if thing would change with, say, 7 rounds in the mag, rather than 8. I tried 8 (full), 7, 5, 3, and 1 round. In all cases, the issue was present. I needed to lock the slide back, reinsert the magazine, and run the slide forward, for each and every round I fired.

At home, I inserted the magazine while empty and it seated and locked in place. Tugging on the base of the mag did not dislodge it. For some reason, the magazine (or follower - I'm not 100% on which) prevents the slide release from functioning with an empty mag inserted.

On a hunch, I used a pen to depress the follower with the mag inserted. Lo and behold - the magazine popped right out, just as it did at the range. I repeated this several times to confirm my findings.

What I believe is happening is that the bottom of the follower is contacting the mag catch and pushing it aside. Furthermore, I believe that the rounds inserted in the mag are doing the same thing.

I intend to bring this back to my LGS for return to RI this Monday or Tuesday, but I thought I would consult the oracles of online to see if anyone had something to add. Please note, I will not be taking this back to the range before I send it off, so I won't be able to test any theory which requires shooting the pistol.

Thanks all!

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Posted: April 22 2017 at 5:28pm | IP Logged Quote RT58

I sounds like the cut-out for the mag catch is too low. I don't know about Rock Island, but a lot of manufacturers outsource their magazines and their QC can be pretty lousy at times.
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Posted: April 23 2017 at 1:49am | IP Logged Quote noylj

Mag problem--buy a quality mag.
IF not, you need a new slide lock or a gunsmith to adjust it.

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Posted: April 23 2017 at 4:41am | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Well, I was hoping it was the mag and not the pistol. In any event, I concur this is a QC issue; and as such, RI will be doing the replacement. I know it will take some time to get done, but it's their responsibility.



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Posted: April 23 2017 at 5:18am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

I am interested in a 1911 10mm so I will be interested
in hearing how this turns out - Let us know

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Posted: April 23 2017 at 7:46am | IP Logged Quote The_Shadow

KinleyWater, You are not alone in the issue with you RI. Some of the
members of the 10mmFirearms forum had to send theirs back for some work.
RI seems to have help several people be happier after they were fixed.

The 1911 guns usually work well for 10mm, however some of the higher
impulse ammo can exceed the limits of case support in the unsupported
chambers. The ramped models seem to work best for casing support.

10mm Firearms Forum

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Posted: April 23 2017 at 10:18am | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

REM, I have submitted the warranty claim to RI electronically. Being that it is the weekend, and they say they have a 1-3 day turn-around time, I expect a reply by Wednesday, the 26th. I will let you know about their customer service.

I did shoot 17 rounds, I think, while trying to diagnose the problem. At 7 yards, the S&B 180 FMJ (item SB10A), grouped into under two inches. I am 100% confident that if I was thinking more about the shooting and less about the malfunctioning, it would have been much less. The bottom line is, I like the pistol - in spite of the problem.

Shadow, Thanks for the link. While I am glad that RI came through for their customers, I would have preferred they identified the internal process at fault so we would not need to keep returning them.

The RI barrel is ramped, and I am looking forward to making up some fairly heavy loads. Though, for anything truly heavy, I will probably just use my .44 mag. From my reading, I understand I will need to look at the recoil spring for heavy loads as well. Again, thanks.

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Posted: April 23 2017 at 12:11pm | IP Logged Quote RT58

Long ago I'd read that the main reason the pressure level of the original Norma load was reduced was due to it cracking 1911 frames. I have a few 10s but never tried to hot rod them since they were purely for social engagements so I can't say for sure.

If it's going to be some time before you send it back to RI, and you are planning on buying extra mags, you might try to find some quality ones and see if they work any better while you are waiting.

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Posted: April 23 2017 at 2:46pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

RT, I have read something similar. I read that with really hot loads, the recoiling of the slide damages the part of the frame which stops the slide's rearward movement. Hence the need for a heavier recoil spring - to dampen the force of the slide striking that part of the frame. I don;t ever plan on getting that hot.

As for the mags... I do plan on ordering more, but not until I am satisfied that RI has resolved the current issue. I live one of those lives where I have to drive an hour and then pay to shoot on an indoor range, so it doesn't happen anywhere near as often as I would like. The 10 will almost certainly be going back before the next range trip.

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Posted: April 23 2017 at 3:26pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

I tried one of the first delta's and a glop in 10mm
The glop performed flawlessly, even shot 40 S&W-
the galling on the delta was obscene and failure to
function was often enough that I had not even thought of
a colt in over 20 yrs since that.
But I am now.

I have a Ruger Buckeye in 10 mm so I know I like the
round. I started with 30 Rem cut down stuffed with 38-40
178 gr cast HP- kinda like they did until brass became
more available.


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Posted: April 23 2017 at 4:08pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

REM, my LGS had a Delta Elite, last time I checked, as a part of their used inventory for <$1,000. I actually considered it, but ultimately passed, as the RI was near unto $300 less.

As for Glop.... I have never pulled the trigger on one I have liked. It made me a bit biased against them, but I don't doubt they are reliable.

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Posted: April 23 2017 at 6:23pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Oddly enough I am interested in the R1 and the RI 10mms
I am not sure the Remington R1 is out yet though. I am
happy with my R1 45 ACP

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Posted: April 23 2017 at 6:35pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

I assume you mean the R1 Hunter - it's the only 10mm Rem I am aware of. If so, Gander Mountain has it advertised on their website, so I believe it to be:

http://www.gandermountain.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?i= 1016032

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Posted: April 23 2017 at 7:14pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

That is the one but they are all gone

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Wow, another case of sticker shock! I don't hang out at gun stores like I used to, partly because we don't have any extra money, but mostly because of the garbage they carry.

I have two Delta Elites, the only auto pistols I have two of in fact, not because I was impressed with the first, but I couldn't pass up on the price. I walked into a store I spent a lot of time in and the dealer said he just took in a Delta Elite. I told him I already had one. He said he didn't want to take it in because nobody wanted them, but the guy insisted, the price was $200. I took it apart on the counter to make sure it wasn't damaged and it appeared to have been fired very little, so I bought it.

I also have a Glock 20 and I hate their trigger pulls too. I installed the competition trigger, which helps, but I'm still not that crazy about the gun.

I also have a 1006 but have never gotten used to S&Ws double action trigger. It's just not natural.
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Posted: April 24 2017 at 11:16am | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Very true. I like to buy used, unless I can get a special deal. This one was a matter of me getting impatient... and having a VERY understanding wife.

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Well, by way of update: I contacted RIA - they replied via email on the third business day (they say 1-3 days). I filled out the service request form and have shipped the pistol to them.

According to them, it will be 4-6 weeks turnaround time. We will see.

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KinleyWater wrote:
Well, by way of update: I
contacted RIA - they replied via email on the third
business day (they say 1-3 days). I filled out the
service request form and have shipped the pistol to
them.

According to them, it will be 4-6 weeks turnaround time.
We will see.


4-6 weeks? I'd be waiting by the mail box every day like
used to when I sent them cereal box tops in.

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Fedex says the pistol was delivered yesterday, but I received no communication from RIA. I really hope their technical service is better than their communication.

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It returned today! There was a failed delivery yesterday, so call that an 18 day turn-around.

The packing slip states the following: Customer's concerns verified and repaired: Tuned, lubed, test fired.

Well, I would have appreciated getting a follow up email from RIA when they had either started or completed the repairs - or both. All I did get was an email from FedEx saying the package was on the way. So, I think about 3 stars for customer service communication. I'll have to wait until I can take it to the range before I judge the quality of the repairs.

I can say this, though - When I was diagnosing the problem, I used a pen to depress the follower with the magazine inserted and the slide locked back. When I did so, the magazine would pop out. I tried repeating the process today, and the magazine remained in place. On visual inspection, it looks like they replaced the magazine catch/ release, but there were no details on what was actually done.

Edit* They also sent me a 10% coupon for Advanced Tactical. No note or anything; it was just dropped into the FedEx box.

Edit 2* Advanced Tactical, I discovered, is their product website. Well, maybe I can use it for some more mags...

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