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Posted: May 11 2017 at 3:40pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

A few months back I bought a super clean 96 or maybe 98 [can't remember] Ruger Old Army with a 45Colt conversion cylinder with it. I got it because it was a fixed sight blued model and sparkling clean and wanted to shoot BP and round ball through it. The .45Colt cylinder was just part of the deal. Did buy an expensive box of "Cowboy" ammo. 88 cents a shot stinks. BP cylinder gets most of the use.

But today a set of cheapy Lee Carbide dies arrived and I started loading up some rounds with what I got. Cast 452374 45ACP style bullets, Berry's 230gr RN plated, and a few .454" round ball pressed through the 450 sizer and coated with wax. Everything got 6gr of Red Dot and a mild crimp. Ya know I learned to load with this cartridge but with a 310 rig and not a bench mounted press.

I sent my old Ideal 454424 and 454190 moulds to my brother a few years ago when he got a SAA in 45Colt. Didn't need em. Didn't have a weapon that shot that cartridge. So now I'm piecing together loads with some unconventional bullets. Even found a.45 cal. BP 220gr RN for revolvers for a conical bullet. Gotta cast some first though. But since I have gotten over my dislike of Lee moulds I will likely get a 200gr RNFP and get busy with it. Shucks, who knows, I might even buy me a mod. P or a Remington 1875 in .45Colt... Ya just never know...
Meanwhile, back at the ranch I'm throwing together "pot-luck" loads from all sorts of lead. Hell, its even kinda fun. Now I just gotta have a set of 310 dies so I can load the right way!

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Posted: May 11 2017 at 5:05pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I have shot lots and lots and lots of 200 grain semi wadcutters designed for .45 ACP though .45 Colt revolvers, usually Lyman 452488 and 6.5 grains of Red Dot or 6 grains of Bullseye. The lack of a crimping groove doesn't matter. I've done the same with 230 grain RN cast with good results.

If it's .45 caliber, you can use it. I love the .45 Colt, my favorite handgun cartridge.

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Posted: May 12 2017 at 6:01am | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

One of the best 45 colt bullets out there is Lee's 255 gr swc.

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Posted: May 12 2017 at 6:32am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yes sir, always liked big chunks of lead like that. And since I got over my Lee allergy I've got a lot to explore. I haven't loaded this cartridge in decades. Thanks for the heads up on that bullet.

Funny thing, when I was shooting the Old Army yesterday with the 45Colt cylinder. When emptied I'd put it in halfcock and my thumb instinctively moved to the right of the frame for the loading gate that isn't there. This is telling me that I need to get another SAA or perhaps a Richards & Mason conversion in 45Colt. Oh well, guess a man can't have too many single actions huh?

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Posted: May 12 2017 at 9:26am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Replacement for the Ruger may be sooner than you think.

Went out 30 minutes ago and got off one...ONE shot and was hit in the belly by a piece of metal. The barrel lug for the loading lever flew off! Close inspection shows that it was attached with epoxy. Well I'm going to attach it with silver solder as it SHOULD have been done. And then sell it! I'm through with Rugers! Those lads in Italy and Germany build a hell-of-a better gun. I'll stick with their weapons. They're built correctly and not glued together.

Ranger out.....

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Posted: May 13 2017 at 10:56am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Been thinking about this Ruger business. Over the past 40 years or so since the removal of the three screw Blackhawk and the introduction of the New Model I've had nothing but grief with them. And though technically a 3 screw, the Old Army failing due to the ridiculous use of epoxy on a load bearing structural surface like the loading lever lug just reinforces my belief that Ruger is cranking out inferior weapons. Even though I have repaired it correctly I will never trust it.

What's next? The front sight fly off and hit me or fly off into the woods and get lost? Nope. Its gone. Bad thing around here is I'm not going to get any decent amount for it. Though going for $550 plus in the box, and $600 with the conversion cylinder, I'll be lucky to get $300 maybe.... Downside of living in an area where folks are poor and can't afford it or have the money but will want to chisel you out of it. Either way I screwed up with ever thinking I could actually enjoy a Ruger.



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Posted: May 13 2017 at 2:37pm | IP Logged Quote joed

I was never a big fan of Ruger.   After owning one of their Red Label
shotguns I'm at a point where I wouldn't own a Ruger.    

Ranger, that's an interesting gun, I just looked it up.    My friend has
one though I've only seen it once.    Good luck on getting rid of it.



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Posted: May 13 2017 at 3:05pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yup. I'm likely gonna either be stuck with it or get about 1/4 of what it's worth. Story of my life with most things. Especially here in this part of the world. Most folks here are either mentally unstable due to inbreeding or crackheads wanting an AR15 to defend their dope labs.

Since I have repaired it correctly I may just scrap the 45Colt cylinder and just shoot it with the BP cylinder alone.

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Posted: May 13 2017 at 3:53pm | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

Wade,

I have eight Ruger single actions and have never had the first problem other than opening the throats. They all shoot very well, better than I can.

On another forum I saw where someone had the same problem with their ROA that you had. They contacted Ruger and returned it. Ruger replaced the handgun with one of the owners choice. FREE!

Have you considered any of the old 1800's single shot percussion pistols?



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Posted: May 13 2017 at 4:50pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Mike, I've got a mess of single actions and BP revolvers. I've had nothing but grief with every Ruger since 1974. New Models are unnatural and poorly built. If that guy you're talking about sent a ROA to Ruger he sure didn't get one back as Ruger has no parts and won't support that model. Nope. I'm done with em. I thought the ROA being a 3 screw design would act right but I don't trust anything they got. I sure don't want them to send me a NM Blackhawk! I already got a trotline weight! Ha!

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Posted: May 13 2017 at 4:52pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

The Ruger Old Army- 457 bullets- 45-70 bullets work
fine - the Lyman book shows a load for 4F (FFFF) and
it is a whomper.
It does cause gas cutting but it's gonna take while to
cut through that top strap.

I have shot 452gr 230 gr jacketed. I have fired damned
near everything I could stuff in it in the past 40
years.
I usual start the 45-70 by sizing a small amount of
the base to 452. 45-70 rounds cut down the space for
powder though.
(rumors have it that there is even an article showing
loads for smokeless powder for the Old Army)
Hell of a gun - never bought the 45 Colt (Long Colt)
cylinder confused about the 457 vs the 452 or even 454   
older (Long) Colts

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Posted: May 13 2017 at 8:12pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Maybe yours wasn't glued together.

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Posted: May 14 2017 at 3:43am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Never had an Old Army, but the Ruger revolvers I've had have all been Hell for stout. I really like Black Hawks and Single Sixes.

Sorry that one didn't work out.

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Posted: May 14 2017 at 5:22am | IP Logged Quote dahlin

I have a Ruger 38 special that shoots real good and I had Black Hawk 45 long colt that I wish I still had and SR9 aSR22 a mark111 target and my wife has a competition Mark111 and they all shoot real good. Randy
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Posted: May 14 2017 at 6:23am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

As long as we're giving Ruger testimony here, sure I've had three that were good.
1968 .357Mag 6 1/2" Blackhawk 3 screw.
Early 80's Stainless Service Six 4" .357Mag
Early 80's Stainless Speed Six 2 3/4" .357Mag

The double actions were both carried for some years in my police career. The Speed Six was my off duty gun for about 10 years. I had cut the spur from the hammer making it all DA and it rode in a simple inside the pants holster. It was a good weapon. The 4" Service Six was my holster weapon in uniform patrol for some years after my M29 was declared too much gun during the "pacification" period of the police by civilian interference. But both shot like Gatling guns and quite solid.

All the new stuff they make is just wrong in my eyes...

I talked with a dealer buddy who said his clientele are more into auto loaders than clumsy big BP styles. He chuckled and said its a sign of the times.

I believe I'll loose money in selling it. I am, however, confident in my repairs. So for now, I guess I'll see if I can get past my prejudice and discrimination against this weapon and try to enjoy it like I did when I first got it.

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I have worked with 4 Ruger Bicentennial Old Armys an
have been pretty happy with them.
Perhaps they were better back then.

I have had a lot of other Ruger revolvers pass through
here 38-40, 44-40, hand stone a 45 ACP to fit my 45
(LC) and really like it, a 10mm and a few 327 Federal
mags single action and double action, a custom 50 A.E.
I have had a few of the more 'normal' ones come by
too, from 22 to 45.
I still want to try the 17, the 32-20, the 480....

Overall I have been pleased with their performance and
Ruger support but I am not doubting those who have
less than stellar performance.

I do have one or two whose idiosyncrasies kind drive
me crazy but I work with them.

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Posted: May 16 2017 at 8:01am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Wade, I have had the same luck with Rugers that you have. Every one that I have owned needed something done to it and the return shipping was always on me.
I own one 10-22 now and I reworked it myself to make it shoot.
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Yup. Been looking for an iron sighted .243Win for a while. Pawn shop had a Ruger 77 in decent condition. I smiled and handed it back to the owner. Told him I won't be caught dead with a Ruger.

Haven't been out with this ROA since I repaired it. Trust my work of course, but I don't trust the weapon a bit. Afraid that another shooting session something else will break and fly off!

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