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Posted: June 23 2017 at 7:34pm | IP Logged Quote M700

My youngest son and I have done well on our spot and stalk black bear hunts here in Washington, once we figured bears out, in 2010.

Last year I managed to call a bear in with a mouth-blown predator call, to about 15 or 20 yards, and it was AMAZING! I was so pumped, even though I didn't shoot it. John wants me to call a bear in to that close range for him this year. I'm going to try! He's taken two black bear but they were both longish shots at about 150 and about 320 yards, with his .30-06 rifle.

This time he has selected the .30-30 Glenfield topped by the little 2.5x Leupold and 170 grain ammo. I suspect we may just use Federal factory ammo, as it shoots so well from the little lever action.

If I take a rifle, I'll be back to the ol' black bear slaying .375 H&H Ruger Number One which is now topped by a 3x Leupold. Am looking hard at a pile of 270 grain Hornady Round Nose bullets, and also some ancient 270 grain Nosler Partitions. Probably load either to a modest 2600 fps or so.





Hunting area is maybe a 30 min drive from home. Season opens August 1st. We'll be hitting the range fairly regularly before then.

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Posted: June 24 2017 at 5:41pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

I am not a big fan of the 30-30 and prefer other
calibers-
BUT it is a damned flat shooter that gets the
job done and he should do very well with that
choice.....
There is a reason it has been America's favorite lever
round for well over 100 years......
All it's major competitors have been dead over 50
years.....

I personally opted for the 32 WIN Spl in our Marlins
and Winchesters in that caliber range. (The difference
between the two-- 30-30 vs 32 Win Spl is... ahhh
...probably something best viewed under a full powered
electron microscope --it's kinda that small )
Our 30-30s are pumps or bolt action.

Nice weapons M700.

Don't think there is anything on this continent you
can not anchor in place with that .375 H&H round and
those bullets especially topped with that Nosler.   

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Posted: June 24 2017 at 8:51pm | IP Logged Quote STCM(SW)

My Winchester 30-30 is in the safe after the last deer I shot with it with a 170 gr. Just not my cup of tea. Like a round that puts them down. It didn't....
.308? I'll take the 30-06 or my 300 RUM. Deer, bear or elk I trust them more.
And that Remington 700 300 Ultra mag is a flat shooter with more MV & ME for what I need.


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I've never had the desire the hunt black bear or any bear for that matter. Don't know why but there it is.

But, I'd have no problems using the old 30-30 cartridge for a black bear hunt. I have more than one rifle chambered in 30-30 and have taken several deer with that shell. I've used factory loads and hand loads loaded with 150gr. and 170gr. bullets and have never felt undergunned. Ranges have been out to about 100yds.

Now...admittedly, the whitetail deer in North Florida are a bit smaller than those that reside in the far Northern and Northwestern parts of our country. I have personally seen a live whitetail buck that weighed 320lbs.(name was Squirt) and that is a different animal than what I am hunting down here in the South.

I have hunted out West several times and have never taken the 30-30 out there. I always used a cartridge with more "reach" for those more open spaces. But, I'd have no second thoughts about shooting at our local deer out to 200yds. as long as the accuracy is there and I felt confident in the shot placement.

I've heard some bad-mouthing about the 30-30, mostly from newbies and young hunters. Probably because they were taught they needed bigger and more powerful. But, that old cartridge just keeps on putting animals down for good and is still selling lots of ammo and components.

Personally, I like the old round.



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Posted: June 25 2017 at 8:26am | IP Logged Quote M700

Buffalogun wrote:


I've heard some bad-mouthing about the 30-30, mostly from newbies and young hunters. Probably because they were taught they needed bigger and more powerful. But, that old cartridge just keeps on putting animals down for good and is still selling lots of ammo and components.

Personally, I like the old round.

Mike


The .30-30 is a real easy cartridge to like. Mild recoil and report makes it very nice to shoot. The modest muzzle velocity helps those good old soft-point bullets expand well, but not break up. It's really an excellent little medium game cartridge that the makers have had over 100 years to perfect.

Where we will hunt by calling, we're unlikely to get a long shot, so the two rifles with low power scopes are no handicap.

Should be fun. Even if we don't get anything, it's another day in the hills with my son.

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Any day spent off the pavement is a good day. Double good when it's father and son!

Guy, you still have a.45-70? Now there's a bear gun if I ever saw one.

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Posted: June 25 2017 at 2:24pm | IP Logged Quote M700

I sold my .45/70 Marlin to a good friend in 2009, so I could buy the .375 H&H Ruger Number One.

I'd had the .45/70 (two of them) for about 9 years and had kind of run out of interest in using it. Great respect for the cartridge though, and yes, I agree, it's likely one heck of a bear cartridge. Or elk. Or moose. Or pretty much anything... All I ever shot with mine was a mule deer at about 70 yards. That worked.

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Posted: June 25 2017 at 2:35pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yes sir,I gave my .45-70 Guide Gun to my brother in S. Dakota last year. Promised him my guns when I kicked the bucket and got a head start on it with the little shoulder cannon. So I reckon I can't say nuthin about that .45-70 stuff anymore either.

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Posted: June 25 2017 at 8:54pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Nice wood there CMC on that weapon-I take it that is the
300 RUM? I know nothing about those.
Now the 06 is a different story- everyone should have at
least one of those and if that can't handle it ya need
to step up to a bazooka

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Posted: June 25 2017 at 9:01pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

And yes I do look my Marlin 45-70s - hell of a squirrel
gun esp with 330 hp cast although the HP is a little
weak as cast.
My Chrony showed the first two coming out at over 2000
fps and it drop after the barrel got hot.
They are kickers and hoot to shoot.
We give guest 5 rds to wipe the smug off their faces as
the last shots of the day-- all but one guest handed
backed 2 to 3 rds and said they had enough......
Love those guns.

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Posted: June 25 2017 at 10:00pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Before I sold my Marlin, I was running 425 grain cast "Piledriver JR" bullets at 1950 fps...

It was great at clearing the sinus...

Shot well too, but a bit of a handful in recoil. The .375 H&H isn't as brisk.

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405gr cast RN and 15gr Unique. A 1300fps BP velocity load. Everything I ever hit went down with one round and never got up. Yup, never understood why folks wanna try to turn an old BP cartridge into a .458Win Mag... Reckon some folks are a might OCD about velocity and such, and the battering they get from it.

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Yes, the old war horse is a heck of a cartridge, even in it's black powder loadings. And, I agree that there is mostly no reason to load it to the gunnels. That, standard loads are enough to handle most situations.

However.....there are some events which can call for more smack than the old standard loads can supply. The pic below shows the LEE C457-500 bullet in it's "before and after" condition after having collided with the second vertebrae in the neck of my bison. At a distance of apprx. 65 yds. and a chrono'd velocity of 1,600 fps. the big slug made of 1 to 20 alloy fully penetrated the bulls neck and was found lying just under the hide on the off side.

The unfired bullet weighs 513gr. and the used bullet still weighs 512gr. The dimples in the bullet nose are from hardness testing.
I seriously doubt the old standard load of a 405gr. cast bullet at 1,330 fps. would have been able to give the same performance. I took the neck shot at the guides request.



The modern American made C. Sharps 1875 is a strong action.
And, a 500 gr. bullet at 1,600 fps. will scramble your thoughts!


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M700 wrote:
Before I sold my Marlin, I was running 425 grain cast "Piledriver JR" bullets at 1950 fps...

It was great at clearing the sinus...

Shot well too, but a bit of a handful in recoil. The .375 H&H isn't as brisk.

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I had some of LAH's 430gr flat nose loaded to that velocity. Everything you said there was true of it too. Now days I slow them down to around 1500 or 1600. Still hits like the hammer of Thor but not as much on the recoil.

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Eventually settled on a hunting load of the good old 405 gr Remington soft point, at about 1650 fps.

It was still potent, but didn't recoil nearly as hard as those cast 425's at 1900+ fps... Those were fun though...

I had no doubt about their ability to flatten pretty much anything.

For whatever reason, normally when I carried my .45/70 I didn't get a shot at game! I only shot at one mule deer. Hammered it with that Remington bullet. So, lots of good memories of carrying my big bore Marlin afield and only one memory of using it to actually fill the freezer!

It's long gone, and I've been enjoying the heck out of the .375 H&H Ruger Number One. That rifle has been very successful on black bear. Hopefully I'll get an elk with it someday!

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One of the largest black bears, over 700 lbs, in PA was
taken with a 30-30 lever rifle a number of years back.

Maybe it was a lucky shot but the 30-30 anchored the bear
nevertheless.

A guy on the Outdoor Channel took a Moose with a 30-30
lever rifle. Sure it was a stunt for TV but the moose went
down.

I wouldn't underestimate the capability of the 30-30 in the
hands of a skilled rifleman.
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Posted: July 05 2017 at 12:08am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

It was said of the old 45-70 loads -"if ya hit it and it
didn't go down you were shooting at a redwood tree or a
freight train"
Course shot placement is what really matters

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Well, I've had the .375 Number One out to the rifle range, to adjust that 3x Leupold dead-on at 100 yards. Got that accomplished, then tried some practice shots at 200 and 300 yards from sitting.

The round nose 270 grain bullet drops more at 300 than the sleek 260 grain Nosler Accubonds I've used in the past, but it's still very useful at that distance. It sure acts and feels like a good bear load. Or most anything in North America...


Now to get my son out there with the .30-30 Glenfield. He hasn't used it a lot over the years, but wants to this year. Neat little rifle, and fast to use with that little 2.5x Leupold.

Sure hope we can come up with a bear. We often do!

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Posted: July 08 2017 at 4:41am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

More reading on handloading for the 375 H&H

https://gundigest.com/gear-ammo/ammunition/handloading-
375-hh-magnum

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An old friend of mine who served with me when we were real junior just got back from a trip to Canada where he killed a nice black bear. I don't recall him saying, but I only ever knew him to use one rifle, a Remington 700 BDL in .270, so I suspect that's what he used. From the pictures he posted, it worked fine.

Never hunted black bears, doubt I ever will. I've always heard anything that'll work on white tails will work on black bears. I like woods guns, and a .30-30 lever gun is an awesome hunting rifle even in this day and age, it just works. But I think I'd want something with a little more power for something that had the potential to bite back.

Wow, .30-30, .45-70, amazing how those old timers will still do as well or better than modern "improvements".

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