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Posted: July 04 2017 at 5:14am | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

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Posted: July 04 2017 at 7:02am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

243 is pretty popular west of ya Wade- but sooner or
later most get traded up for heavier round or traded
down for a smaller round in a black rifle.

I haven't shot ours in ages, (REM 788)- I am not fond
of scopes.

I was pretty poor when we got it (I am not rich now
but you get the idea) and for a young guy in the
military- 7.62/308 brass was free and available, so a
lot of my reloads are military brass necked down.

Sounds like you got what you wanted and I guess a
month of eating squirrels, berries and beans are well
worth it. I like the idea that it was deluxe.

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Yeah Joe I spent my lunch money on a new toy. Oh well, it's far from the first time huh?

At 6 1/2 pounds it's light and comfortable. A 14" length of pull makes it "Mansize" and not a kid's rifle.6 lugs on the heavy-duty bolt lock into an equally substantial receiver. Mossburg's engineering staff and gunsmiths deserve a lot of credit, it's well designed. And the deluxe edition is kinda nice with cut and not pressed checkering and the exotic nose and grip caps. I wish I could load a picture of it here but all attempts failed.

Raining here again so I'll load some 243Win with my trusty old 310 and later cast some 200gr RNFP 45Colt bullets. Never boring around the place.

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Posted: July 04 2017 at 8:36am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

And like all Mossbergs, it seems, it has a positive tang safety. I agree, they are better rifles than they've been given credit for.

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Posted: July 04 2017 at 3:11pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

You bet Rich! Solid and dependable.

Rain cleared and the sun returned. Two hours and all was dry. Range time!
Out with some 34gr thru 36gr RL15 87gr BTHP. 34s were a might "mushy" as my neighbor once said of a light load in an '06. 34gr just didn't pack enough punch. Eventually ended up with the 36gr load and my oh my. I may not even try H380 or IMR4320! Sat there on the bench and hammered the iron plate at 100yds with a 5 shot spread just under 2". Not bad for a U notch rear and brass bead up front with 7 decade old eyes.

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Posted: July 04 2017 at 3:22pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Outstanding! Better than I could manage, I'd wager, with somewhat younger eyes.

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Posted: July 04 2017 at 3:24pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Outstanding! Better than I could manage, I'd wager, with somewhat younger eyes.

I do so like RL15, too. I use it for just about everything: 35 Whelen, 308, and 7.62x54r. I have o complaints in any caliber.

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Posted: July 04 2017 at 3:37pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Years ago, before the internet and I was learning how to hand load without Dad being around, I did a lot of reading and thinking and came to the conclusion that IMR 4064 was probably the most versatile rifle powder a guy could have and I loaded from .223 (just a tad too slow for full ballistics, but the accuracy in my rifle was great) all the way up to .30-06 and do all of them pretty well. IMR 4320 is real close to the same burn rate and I think RL-15 is too. Good stuff to have on the shelf.

I still think that Winchester 760/H-414 is gonna be your best bet, at least with the heavier bullets.

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Posted: July 04 2017 at 4:11pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Mossberg, Steven, the old Savages were like driving an
old Dodge pick-up. Fords were built for work, Chevies
were built for the ride and the Dodge was 'just a
truck'. They got the job done -nothing fancy. Heck
Marlin was considered lower class by many.

Two of my last were a Stevens bolt in 32-20 and a
pump Savage 170 in 30-30.

The were fine weapons. A lot of of $2 special pistol
were pretty solid too..... just spent good money on a
Forehand Wadsworth 38 S&W and it was way more than 2
bucks.

I am glad a lot of these guns are getting a work out -
a second chance they deserve....Not every Rifle or
shotgun back then was a Winchester or a Remington ....
working class people bought what they could
afford......
and they had to function......and function well.
These old companies have stepped up in the world
today...Good for em

Glad ya got it Wade sure hope ya enjoy it - sounds
like a perfect carbine bolt for the "Pineys"

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Posted: July 04 2017 at 5:13pm | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

Wade,

I've loaded for the .243 Winny for over 20 yrs. I've gotten fine accuracy from H4350, IMR4350 and VVN160. The 4831's also perform well in the cartridge.

I think you'll like the slower powders better.


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Posted: July 04 2017 at 9:46pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

My experience with the .243 Win. was that it did like the slower powders if I kept the velocity up on top. Ken Waters Pet Loads for 243 Win. usually included one of the 4831 powders if he was wanting the higher velocities. I liked it so well with my 85gr. Sierra bullets that I bought my first ever 8 lb. jug of powder in IMR 4831 years ago just for it. It gave my .243 Win. high velocity plus it was always capable of clover leaf groups even using necked down .308 cases.

Now if the very highest velocities are not all that important, I would likely just go with RL-15 as I have come to really like it in most anything I have loaded it in from .223 to my 6.5x257 Rob. to my 7.62x54R. I had never really used any Reloder powders until I got several 8 lb. jugs of RL-15 as surplus military pull down powder pulled form LC National Match 7.62x51. It has proven to be very versatile.

IMR 4320 would also be another that I would like to keep around for cartridges in the same powder capacity range as the .243 Win. It also worked very well in my Mosin-Nagant as well and showed good results in my 6.5x257 Rob. which uses the 7x57mm case. But I got my best velocity and groups for the 6.5x257 Rob. pushing the 160gr. Carcano bullet with RL-15. It would likely do swell with heavy .243 Win. bullets at moderate velocities.

I would think that Ranger likely has the .243 Win. covered with one of his powders on hand as long as the very highest velocities are not needed. For me, it always seemed to be an easy cartridge to load for.

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Yeah guys, I don't have a big selection of powder in my powder magazine, an 1880 footlocker. RL15, IMR4320, IMR3031, and H380 is what I have. These are what I choose to use in my .30'06. I do not load to Mach 7, so they perform well for my requirements. I'm not out to load screamers of über velocity. I'm comfortable with moderate loads that shoot tight, don't beat the rifle up, stress and stretch the cases all to blazes, and are affordable to load. Besides, I'm consolidating the amounts of powder I use anyway. My old footlocker can only hold just so much.

Oh, by the way, yesterday I tried a 3 shot test with the Monarch 100gr factory load. The store brand of Academy Sports, printed the same as the Remington 100gr factory load. Not bad for ammo that sells for $15.99 a box.

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Posted: July 05 2017 at 12:35pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Perhaps I'm too much of a novice, but I try to limit my powders so that I use the fewest types of powder for the most number of calibers. I love RL15 for that. I am not a match shooter and I don't try and push limits on speed or long range; so for me, powder flexibility is key.

I have 1 powder for magnum revolver loads, 1 for rifles (I am experimenting with 2 others), for rimless handgun loads, and one pound of unique to build some 44 special loads for my much better half. I know I will probably expand my variety over time, but I tend to like simplicity.

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Posted: July 05 2017 at 3:01pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I like it! Keeping it simple!

And I like RL15 too. Kinda like a "one size fits all" sorta thing.

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My brother and I were talking abut Alliant finally
really getting into the rifle powder.
We didn't have those options years ago (I think RL-7
called Rx-7 round here was all we had)

I did load some Alliant Unique- 12 gr into 30-30
rounds- 110 and 125 gr bullets week before last and I
am really pleased with them but not sure that is not
at the upper end of safe?..... Any advice?

I want to give my brother a few to use on woodchucks
when he heads back to my parents farm latter this
month

I'd have to check my notes when I find them on what we
used for 243...

I see there is data for the new RL 16 for the 243---
http://www.alliantpowder.com/downloads/RL16_Initial_Lo
ads.pdf

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Posted: July 05 2017 at 4:13pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

REM,

My Lyman 50th has the following loads:

Cast 170gr #311291
Unique 7.0gr start, 10.6gr Max

Cast 115gr #311359
Unique 7.5gr start, 11.4gr Max
*Listed as a T/C pistol load

Hope this helps point you in the right direction.


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Twelve grains sounds high. How was accuracy?

For cases roughly .308 Winchester and bigger, 10 grains of Unique seems an almost magic load, seems to work decently with most cast bullets. Consult a cast bullet manual, of course, but Unique is awfully good stuff in a whole lot of cast applications.

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Unique and cast rifle loads are accurate for sure. With a 120gr Lee GC and 14gr of Unique in an '06, it's a stepper! Same load with the Ideal 31141, 175gr, in the '06 becomes a decent thumper!

During the great famine and hoarding of components, and none was to be found, I was in bad shape. When the panic subsided after a few years I finally found some. Not to be caught off guard again, I buy a pound of Unique every few months to have enough stored in case people go stupid again and buy everything off the shelves. Reckon I better do the same with RL15 now as well.

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That 31141 is a good deer bullet too. I've killed a couple with it and a few more with similar bullets. Cast of a malleable alloy and pushed to reasonable velocities, and at realistic ranges, they put them down as quick as jacketed if a guy can shoot.

That little Lee soup can bullet sure has a following. Great plinker and small game bullet and I believe they make it in their six cavity molds so a guy can keep himself shooting pretty easily.

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That 31141 has terminated many a hog when I was running security at the old power station area. It was always a one shot kill.
And 'dillers blow up when hit with the Lee 120gr.

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