Active TopicsActive Topics  Display List of Forum MembersMemberlist  Search The ForumSearch  HelpHelp
  RegisterRegister  LoginLogin  

Home | Load data | Articles | Ballistic Calc | Energy Calc
Long Guns
 Handloads.Com Forum : Long Guns
Subject Topic: Western Field M776 Post ReplyPost New Topic
Author
Message << Prev Topic | Next Topic >>
richhodg66
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: December 13 2006
Location: Kansas
Posts: 3860
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 06 2017 at 11:22am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I don't have much experience with the little Lee 120, but Dad shot it a lot in many things, with and without gas checks and he loved it. This past Winter, we had to clear my folks out and put them into assisted living, but in the process, I inherited a 50 year collected assortment of reloading stuff, that I am gradually going though including an awful lot of cast bullets. Among other stuff was a coffee can of .30-30 rounds loaded with what I am sure is that Lee 120 and his notes said 5 grains of Clays. Turned out to be an accurate load in a little H&R single shot I have, so I went squirrel hunting with it and it's an excellent bullet for the task; no meat damage and instant death. I'm going to try in in a .32-20 rifle I'm working with if I find some or cast some that mic big enough.

__________________
"The secret to happiness is freedom, and the secret to freedom is courage."
Back to Top View richhodg66's Profile Search for other posts by richhodg66
 
Old Ranger
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: April 11 2010
Location: East Texas
Posts: 2741
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 06 2017 at 1:12pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Don't hurt yourself laughing at this, but I shoot some roundball with the '06 as well. Cast .319" for my Wells Fargo.32 C&B revolver pushed through a .309" sizer and coated with LLA becomes an elongated ball that fits a .308" bore to a T.
3 to 4gr of Bullseye and a tuft of toilet paper to keep the powder at the bottom and you've got a subsonic 50yd critter driller! Opens up to 3 to 4 inches or so at 100yds, but 50 and under? Why little varmints never knew what hit em!
They also make a .311" 93gr plain base round nose for .32S&W but sizes up easy for 30 caliber stuff. I even use it for a heavy weight.32ACP load for my neighbor's CZ.
But it scoots pretty good with 4gr or 5gr of Unique in an '06 and no leading. Faster, and ya take your chances unless you use paste wax or some exotic store bought lube. I've got just under 2" with that one at 100. Not great, but I didn't pursue it much either. Too many bullets and was eating up time I can't recover. Another reason I'm consolidating!

__________________
"I ain't doin' nuthin' I can't do from a horse."

Monte Walsh
Back to Top View Old Ranger's Profile Search for other posts by Old Ranger
 
REM1875
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: November 13 2010
Location: Buffalo Springs, Clay County, TX
Posts: 299
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 07 2017 at 2:22am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Thanks y'all for the advice on the 30-30 and Unique -

I'll drop er down some--she was very accurate and no
pressure signs but I know there is a fine edge with
double based pistol powder and larger rifle cases.

I think about 11 grs might be better suited to 130 gr
cast, (M-1 carbine bullets) 115 and 125 jacketed. (I
think)
Might go lower and try some of that Puff-Lon
lubricated filler that I just had to have about a
decade ago but never used.

I want a round that sounds like a pistol--but hits
like a rifle......For groundhog/ woodchuck, raccoon,
coyote, fox, feral dog size critters and of course
plinking in the back yard....most likely under 100
yds........
Since my brother will be headed to the north-east I
chose the 30-30 cause they might have trouble banning
that one .......(how ever I am sure they would if they
thought they could get away with it )
Kinda like a reverse engineered light 300 Black Out
round.....

__________________
USMC-US ARMY-US NAVY HMC -FMF
NRA -LIFE, TSRA -LIFE, DAV -LIFE, VFW-LIFE,

"If it killed em a 150 years ago, it still kill em today" (answer to a comment about black powder weapons)
Back to Top View REM1875's Profile Search for other posts by REM1875
 
REM1875
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: November 13 2010
Location: Buffalo Springs, Clay County, TX
Posts: 299
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 07 2017 at 2:25am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

P.S. sorry about hijacking a 243 thread with 30-30 stuff


__________________
USMC-US ARMY-US NAVY HMC -FMF
NRA -LIFE, TSRA -LIFE, DAV -LIFE, VFW-LIFE,

"If it killed em a 150 years ago, it still kill em today" (answer to a comment about black powder weapons)
Back to Top View REM1875's Profile Search for other posts by REM1875
 
Old Ranger
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: April 11 2010
Location: East Texas
Posts: 2741
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 07 2017 at 7:34am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I've seen worse deviation of topic than this before. Ain't no thang!

While on the subject of Unique, cast rounds, and rifles; anyone have any time in wheelhouse with cast rounds in the aforementioned.243Win? Appears that most folks don't build a .243/6mm mould. All I could find in the main makers (Lyman, RCBS, and Lee) was a 95gr GC mould. With lower cost factory being a $1.20 a round and reloaded with the Hornady 87gr cost is $0.42 a pop. Better, but with a cast bullet it could be around a dime or less. I'm not a skinflint or a cheap old S.O.B. in reality, just living on a pension that's just above the listed poverty level. So, anybody cast a 6mm?

I'm assuming that with a 1:10 twist in this small of a bore that hitting it faster than 1500fps would start to get unstable? My thoughts are based upon taking 30 cal actions and reducing the effects. Thoughts or comments?

Edited by Old Ranger on July 07 2017 at 8:10am


__________________
"I ain't doin' nuthin' I can't do from a horse."

Monte Walsh
Back to Top View Old Ranger's Profile Search for other posts by Old Ranger
 
richhodg66
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: December 13 2006
Location: Kansas
Posts: 3860
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 07 2017 at 9:57am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I got a mold and proper top punch and sizer die along with a lot of gas checks a few years ago intending to do that with 6mm and just haven't gotten to it yet. One of these days.

I cast for .22 centerfires, can't imagine it would be any harder than that.

__________________
"The secret to happiness is freedom, and the secret to freedom is courage."
Back to Top View richhodg66's Profile Search for other posts by richhodg66
 
Old Ranger
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: April 11 2010
Location: East Texas
Posts: 2741
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 07 2017 at 1:54pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well I suppose later I'll save up and get all the stuff to cast & load this caliber. I've spent as much as I can for now.

__________________
"I ain't doin' nuthin' I can't do from a horse."

Monte Walsh
Back to Top View Old Ranger's Profile Search for other posts by Old Ranger
 
richhodg66
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: December 13 2006
Location: Kansas
Posts: 3860
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 07 2017 at 2:47pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

And therein lies the bad side of this bullet casting addiction some of us have; it's expensive to save that much money.

It'll probably be a while before I get around to it, but when I cast with that mold, I'll be more than happy to send you some.

__________________
"The secret to happiness is freedom, and the secret to freedom is courage."
Back to Top View richhodg66's Profile Search for other posts by richhodg66
 
Old Ranger
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: April 11 2010
Location: East Texas
Posts: 2741
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 07 2017 at 4:13pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yeah, I'm looking at around $100 for a mould and another $75 for sizing dies and gas checks with shipping and such figured in. Depending on how much I shoot this rifle may dictate what I do with casting for it.

__________________
"I ain't doin' nuthin' I can't do from a horse."

Monte Walsh
Back to Top View Old Ranger's Profile Search for other posts by Old Ranger
 
Old Ranger
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: April 11 2010
Location: East Texas
Posts: 2741
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 08 2017 at 8:13am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

A little bit of luck came my way. With the intention of only using iron sights on the rifle, and the original rear sight being broken, I installed the Marbles Flat-top to make it shootable. However, I found a rear sight that is the model of the original rear sight on eBay. Identical to the one that "Bubba" broke smashing it putting on the too low scope mounts. Tossed the minimum bid on the sight and no one else bid on it. It'll be here next week.

With the original style folding rear sight in place, I could install a proper height scope if the need arises. Plus the correct sight would make this old gun just like it was "back in the day" as they say. Guess I'm just a little into weapons being as original as possible. Must be a byproduct from when I did restoration work for the museum at the university in Denton long ago. Making weapons all 100% correct musta stuck.

__________________
"I ain't doin' nuthin' I can't do from a horse."

Monte Walsh
Back to Top View Old Ranger's Profile Search for other posts by Old Ranger
 
REM1875
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: November 13 2010
Location: Buffalo Springs, Clay County, TX
Posts: 299
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 08 2017 at 1:48pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Wade
That's a dang good policy and most us will appreciate it
when ya will your guns to us.......

Actually I am really all for it .....I want to know as
much as possible what these things were originally
capable of. There is a reason the company sent it out
that way......
Accuracy was a big selling point.....

Edited by REM1875 on July 08 2017 at 1:51pm


__________________
USMC-US ARMY-US NAVY HMC -FMF
NRA -LIFE, TSRA -LIFE, DAV -LIFE, VFW-LIFE,

"If it killed em a 150 years ago, it still kill em today" (answer to a comment about black powder weapons)
Back to Top View REM1875's Profile Search for other posts by REM1875
 
Old Ranger
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: April 11 2010
Location: East Texas
Posts: 2741
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 09 2017 at 7:24pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Today was a rainout, so I cast some. Loaded some. And goofed around a bit. But while searching a box of parts and such for cartridge boxes I stumbled upon a Redfield Fusion 4x-12x scope and also a plain old Tasco 4x scope. That was different huh? See, I told y'all I'm a packrat!
So I guess this means if my eyesight goes to pot I don't have to buy a scope!

__________________
"I ain't doin' nuthin' I can't do from a horse."

Monte Walsh
Back to Top View Old Ranger's Profile Search for other posts by Old Ranger
 
Old Ranger
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: April 11 2010
Location: East Texas
Posts: 2741
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 11 2017 at 12:03pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

The rear sight arrived today. Got it in place. It is identical to the one that Bubba broke in every way. Rifle is now 100% restored. While I was waiting I filled and blended the surface scratches on the stock. May not look like it came off the rack, but it does have that "took it to the range a few times and shot a few boxes through it" look.

Oh, and the sight is very visible and clear. The center blade with an elevation set screw has a well cut U. It has a V on the opposite end much like the current and vintage sights from Marbles. Being a NOS piece, it's unblemished and quite tight. Now my iron sighted .243 is just how I wanted it

__________________
"I ain't doin' nuthin' I can't do from a horse."

Monte Walsh
Back to Top View Old Ranger's Profile Search for other posts by Old Ranger
 
KinleyWater
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: August 12 2016
Posts: 179
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 11 2017 at 12:26pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Sounds great. Let us know how things go at the range.

__________________
List of guns/ calibers I own.
Pithy quote.
Back to Top View KinleyWater's Profile Search for other posts by KinleyWater
 
Old Ranger
Senior Member


Avatar

Joined: April 11 2010
Location: East Texas
Posts: 2741
Online Status: Offline
Posted: July 11 2017 at 12:35pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

K.W., you just read my mind! Was having a late lunch and am going out to my range next to the house now! We'll see if this sight makes a difference for me huh?

Edit:

Went out and popped a few 100gr factory. Did ok. My windage set up was fine. Got the elevation right in a few more. About an inch and a half high at a hundred. Should be a 200yds zero yes?

Edited by Old Ranger on July 11 2017 at 2:52pm


__________________
"I ain't doin' nuthin' I can't do from a horse."

Monte Walsh
Back to Top View Old Ranger's Profile Search for other posts by Old Ranger
 

Home | Load data | Articles | Ballistic Calc | Energy Calc

If you wish to post a reply to this topic you must first login
If you are not already registered you must first register

<< Prev Page of 3
  Post ReplyPost New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You can vote in polls in this forum

Powered by Web Wiz Forums version
Copyright ©2001-2008 Web Wiz Guide

This page was generated in 0.1406 seconds.