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Posted: July 06 2017 at 11:22am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I don't have much experience with the little Lee 120, but Dad shot it a lot in many things, with and without gas checks and he loved it. This past Winter, we had to clear my folks out and put them into assisted living, but in the process, I inherited a 50 year collected assortment of reloading stuff, that I am gradually going though including an awful lot of cast bullets. Among other stuff was a coffee can of .30-30 rounds loaded with what I am sure is that Lee 120 and his notes said 5 grains of Clays. Turned out to be an accurate load in a little H&R single shot I have, so I went squirrel hunting with it and it's an excellent bullet for the task; no meat damage and instant death. I'm going to try in in a .32-20 rifle I'm working with if I find some or cast some that mic big enough.

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Posted: July 06 2017 at 1:12pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Don't hurt yourself laughing at this, but I shoot some roundball with the '06 as well. Cast .319" for my Wells Fargo.32 C&B revolver pushed through a .309" sizer and coated with LLA becomes an elongated ball that fits a .308" bore to a T.
3 to 4gr of Bullseye and a tuft of toilet paper to keep the powder at the bottom and you've got a subsonic 50yd critter driller! Opens up to 3 to 4 inches or so at 100yds, but 50 and under? Why little varmints never knew what hit em!
They also make a .311" 93gr plain base round nose for .32S&W but sizes up easy for 30 caliber stuff. I even use it for a heavy weight.32ACP load for my neighbor's CZ.
But it scoots pretty good with 4gr or 5gr of Unique in an '06 and no leading. Faster, and ya take your chances unless you use paste wax or some exotic store bought lube. I've got just under 2" with that one at 100. Not great, but I didn't pursue it much either. Too many bullets and was eating up time I can't recover. Another reason I'm consolidating!

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Posted: July 07 2017 at 2:22am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Thanks y'all for the advice on the 30-30 and Unique -

I'll drop er down some--she was very accurate and no
pressure signs but I know there is a fine edge with
double based pistol powder and larger rifle cases.

I think about 11 grs might be better suited to 130 gr
cast, (M-1 carbine bullets) 115 and 125 jacketed. (I
think)
Might go lower and try some of that Puff-Lon
lubricated filler that I just had to have about a
decade ago but never used.

I want a round that sounds like a pistol--but hits
like a rifle......For groundhog/ woodchuck, raccoon,
coyote, fox, feral dog size critters and of course
plinking in the back yard....most likely under 100
yds........
Since my brother will be headed to the north-east I
chose the 30-30 cause they might have trouble banning
that one .......(how ever I am sure they would if they
thought they could get away with it )
Kinda like a reverse engineered light 300 Black Out
round.....

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Posted: July 07 2017 at 2:25am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

P.S. sorry about hijacking a 243 thread with 30-30 stuff


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Posted: July 07 2017 at 7:34am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I've seen worse deviation of topic than this before. Ain't no thang!

While on the subject of Unique, cast rounds, and rifles; anyone have any time in wheelhouse with cast rounds in the aforementioned.243Win? Appears that most folks don't build a .243/6mm mould. All I could find in the main makers (Lyman, RCBS, and Lee) was a 95gr GC mould. With lower cost factory being a $1.20 a round and reloaded with the Hornady 87gr cost is $0.42 a pop. Better, but with a cast bullet it could be around a dime or less. I'm not a skinflint or a cheap old S.O.B. in reality, just living on a pension that's just above the listed poverty level. So, anybody cast a 6mm?

I'm assuming that with a 1:10 twist in this small of a bore that hitting it faster than 1500fps would start to get unstable? My thoughts are based upon taking 30 cal actions and reducing the effects. Thoughts or comments?

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Posted: July 07 2017 at 9:57am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I got a mold and proper top punch and sizer die along with a lot of gas checks a few years ago intending to do that with 6mm and just haven't gotten to it yet. One of these days.

I cast for .22 centerfires, can't imagine it would be any harder than that.

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Posted: July 07 2017 at 1:54pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well I suppose later I'll save up and get all the stuff to cast & load this caliber. I've spent as much as I can for now.

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Posted: July 07 2017 at 2:47pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

And therein lies the bad side of this bullet casting addiction some of us have; it's expensive to save that much money.

It'll probably be a while before I get around to it, but when I cast with that mold, I'll be more than happy to send you some.

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Posted: July 07 2017 at 4:13pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yeah, I'm looking at around $100 for a mould and another $75 for sizing dies and gas checks with shipping and such figured in. Depending on how much I shoot this rifle may dictate what I do with casting for it.

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Posted: July 08 2017 at 8:13am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

A little bit of luck came my way. With the intention of only using iron sights on the rifle, and the original rear sight being broken, I installed the Marbles Flat-top to make it shootable. However, I found a rear sight that is the model of the original rear sight on eBay. Identical to the one that "Bubba" broke smashing it putting on the too low scope mounts. Tossed the minimum bid on the sight and no one else bid on it. It'll be here next week.

With the original style folding rear sight in place, I could install a proper height scope if the need arises. Plus the correct sight would make this old gun just like it was "back in the day" as they say. Guess I'm just a little into weapons being as original as possible. Must be a byproduct from when I did restoration work for the museum at the university in Denton long ago. Making weapons all 100% correct musta stuck.

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Posted: July 08 2017 at 1:48pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Wade
That's a dang good policy and most us will appreciate it
when ya will your guns to us.......

Actually I am really all for it .....I want to know as
much as possible what these things were originally
capable of. There is a reason the company sent it out
that way......
Accuracy was a big selling point.....

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Posted: July 09 2017 at 7:24pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Today was a rainout, so I cast some. Loaded some. And goofed around a bit. But while searching a box of parts and such for cartridge boxes I stumbled upon a Redfield Fusion 4x-12x scope and also a plain old Tasco 4x scope. That was different huh? See, I told y'all I'm a packrat!
So I guess this means if my eyesight goes to pot I don't have to buy a scope!

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Posted: July 11 2017 at 12:03pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

The rear sight arrived today. Got it in place. It is identical to the one that Bubba broke in every way. Rifle is now 100% restored. While I was waiting I filled and blended the surface scratches on the stock. May not look like it came off the rack, but it does have that "took it to the range a few times and shot a few boxes through it" look.

Oh, and the sight is very visible and clear. The center blade with an elevation set screw has a well cut U. It has a V on the opposite end much like the current and vintage sights from Marbles. Being a NOS piece, it's unblemished and quite tight. Now my iron sighted .243 is just how I wanted it

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Posted: July 11 2017 at 12:26pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Sounds great. Let us know how things go at the range.

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Posted: July 11 2017 at 12:35pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

K.W., you just read my mind! Was having a late lunch and am going out to my range next to the house now! We'll see if this sight makes a difference for me huh?

Edit:

Went out and popped a few 100gr factory. Did ok. My windage set up was fine. Got the elevation right in a few more. About an inch and a half high at a hundred. Should be a 200yds zero yes?

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Testing loads and such has proven to be a disappointing endeavor. Loads of moderate pressure and nothing ever even close to hot are causing the bolt to lock! I mean fully closed and jambed tight. Like the many locking lugs simply fuse almost. 4 times in a 7 round test. Unacceptable! Seemes like every gun l have has a curse on it.

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My Dad got a Western Field .243 Win. on a trade, but I don't remember the model. It was a very accurate rifle, but it too had occasions where I had to really yank on the bolt in order to get it open even with factory ammo.

I took it out to S. Dakota on a prairie dog hunt and it done decently well with my reloads. I loaded a whole lot more ammo than I ended up using and my older brother finished the ammo off later, probably 200 rounds.

For some reason, it started to keyhole after my brother had his paws on it. Cleaning and more cleaning did not make much difference as to the keyhole problem, even when trying factor ammo, so it went on down the road and I replaced it with a 700 Rem. Dad had that 700 rifle for years before he realized I had switched them out.   

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Posted: September 14 2017 at 7:56pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well, I did a FL resize and a 310 necksize on another case and neither would chamber. Even a fired case alone. Couldn't close the bolt and then couldn't get it to extract. Needed a rod to knock out the empty.

Screw it! It's gone! I no longer have the tools to repair it, and more, I no longer have the temperament to deal with it. These days, if something fails, it's gone. I no longer have the desire to fix stuff that craps out on me.

Cute cartridge. I would like to see what it could do, but perhaps with another weapon.

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Wade, that almost sounds like the brass may be too long at the shoulder, but the FL resize should have taken care of it.
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Well it's gonna be sombody else's problem now. I sold it this morning. Bye bye!



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