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Posted: July 11 2017 at 11:51am | IP Logged Quote RazorBlade

Hi, I am new to reloading. I wonder if you separate shells by brand or do you just put them all together. I noticed that it takes some time to separate everything by brand and I wonder if it is useful to keep the brands separated. I take the shells from the range and of course everything is mixed in those barrels.
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Posted: July 11 2017 at 12:31pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

First off, WELCOME!

I don't, but I know people who do. Personally, it doesn't matter for me, since I'm not reloading for maximum accuracy - I don;t need to control all the factors.

What I do, do, is to mark each case with dykem each time I reload, so that I can keep track of how many ties each case has been reloaded. I still check each case before loading, but I know once a case has been reloaded a few times to take a few extra moments checking things over.

Hope this helps.

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Posted: July 11 2017 at 11:33pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

I separate them by caliber ---close enough

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Posted: July 12 2017 at 7:01am | IP Logged Quote RT58

For general plinking ammo, which would include anything I picked up at the range, I don't separate it by brand.

For serious ammo I keep them separated by brand and lot.

You should always inspect your brass, especially if it came off the range, to make sure there are no surprises. It could be something as simple as large and small primer pockets in .45 acp brass, to the former owner trimming it down too far or annealing it wrong.
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Posted: July 12 2017 at 11:27am | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

REM1875 wrote:
I separate them by caliber ---close enough




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I do keep them separate by brand and lot. I'm a varmint hunter and
to me accuracy is the key.

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Posted: July 12 2017 at 4:25pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Do I sort?

Rifle loads, certainly.

Everyday pistol poppin' loads? Hardly.

Do I pickup range brass?

Brass from a public range? Never!!


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Posted: July 12 2017 at 8:25pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I separate by head stamp. It was a habit instilled in me early on and I still do.

I doubt it makes much difference in handguns, but you'll get differences in case capacities from different manufacturers and lots that are significant.

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Posted: July 13 2017 at 10:20am | IP Logged Quote mikld

Depends. My rifle brass is sorted (308 and 30-06) by head
stamp and number of times fired but many times I just grab a
handful of handgun brass and reload them. I've read reports
of the accuracy of "mixed brass" reloads vs "sorted by
headstamp" reloads and all I can remember is there is very
little, if any difference.

When I'm working up a load most of the time I'll use same
headstamp brass with my handgun loads (my favorite all time
caliber is .44 Magnum and I like to keep things as consistent
as possible until I find "the load" I'm looking for). Many times
I'll be bored and when I already have a bunch of reloads to
try out, I'll sort some brass. No big deal either way...

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Posted: August 03 2017 at 12:15am | IP Logged Quote Slick

Not so much when I was new to reloading because I didn't have enough of each headstamp to load up boxes of 50. After 38 years reloading, I'm dealing with this stuff in 5-gallon buckets. So yes, I absolutely separate by headstamp and if it's Lake City, I'll go a notch further and break that stuff down by year of manufacture.

See what you have to look forward to? Anyways, welcome to the fun.   

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Posted: August 03 2017 at 4:07am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

It's been several years, but this question came up once and Paul did a systematic test by getting a case from every headstamp of .30-06 he had and seeing what the case capacity of each was. I was a little surprised at how much variance there was, enough to be significant in some loadings.

Pistols probably don't make as much difference, particularly if you're not loading top end magnum loads, but I think it's a good practice to separate by headstamp.

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Posted: August 03 2017 at 12:36pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

I absolutely separate rifle cases by head stamp for accuracy reasons alone. I normally do my handguns as well but mostly just to keep the cases together for a better control of weeding out any problems.

One can keep a better watch on cases for stretching, splitting, etc. if they are kept segregated. This is especially important for rifle cases or cases using higher chamber pressure.

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Posted: August 04 2017 at 1:45pm | IP Logged Quote noylj

Don't ask, TEST.
For long-range rifle matches, I would.
For standard rifle shooting with a standard rifle, it hasn't mattered.
As I said in other posts, my most accurate rifle is a Ruger that will do 0.75-
1.25" all day at 100 yards. Mixed cases, matched cases, mixed length,
matching length, it still does 0.75-1.25" at 100 yards. Tried it, didn't see it
was worth a hill of beans.
That is NOT to say that it isn't important for long range shooting, but I doubt
long-range big game shooting would matter.
Where it has an effect, it probably is only good for maybe 1/4 MOA (and <0.1
MOA would be my guessóbut, since I have neither seen an improvement nor
READ any one reporting exactly what improvement they saw, it is just a
guess).
For pistols, even my very accurate T/C Contenders, it just doesn't matter.
Couldn't even see an effect at 200 yards.
BUT, and this is important, if you think it will matter, then do it. You must
have confidence in your ammo.

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Posted: August 04 2017 at 1:57pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

noylj
"BUT, and this is important, if you think it will
matter, then do it. You must have confidence in your
ammo."


Amen - good post........

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Posted: August 04 2017 at 4:46pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

OR said, "Do I pickup range brass?

Brass from a public range? Never!! "

I have to ask, "Why not?" Probably 80% of the brass I have on hand is
range pick up of one sort or another. Started when I first got into
reloading (1954) and graduated to handloading. There is a difference.
Much of my pick up brass is gathered on sight in days at the range
where I can usually talk whoever I helped sight in out of their nice fresh
once fired brass. The rest came from the buckets and of the ground.
All get tumbled, then inspected including the hooked paper clip to
check for potential case head separations. Brass is then sorted out
according to headstamps and place in appropriate containers for later
manhandling like uniforming primer pockets, reaming flash holes and
trimming all to the same trim to length. Ammo from my rifles usually
run 1 MOA or less with a couple of exceptions. I've never had a
problem with that brass, and yes, I even buy new bagged brass in
cartridges that are not seen much at the range like 7x57 and .257
Robt. But 06. .308, .270 are easy to find and work with.
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Posted: August 04 2017 at 8:14pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

i used to separate brass based on length (often brand connected) but after lots of chronograph results I found that even different length brass in the same caliber loaded to the same capacity made basically no difference... thought it might be useful to adjust seating, getting more or less case capacity for more or less compression... unfortunately I never got more than a couple of tens of fps difference.
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RazorBlade wrote:
Hi, I am new to reloading. I wonder if you separate
shells by brand or do you just put them all together. I noticed that it takes
some time to separate everything by brand and I wonder if it is useful to keep
the brands separated. I take the shells from the range and of course
everything is mixed in those barrels.


It depends a lot on what your loading. But generally you'll find the different
brands of brass have different case capacity. That difference can give you a
bunch of variation in velocity in handguns, and when loading bottle neck rifle
cartridges can also present some wildly varying pressures and velocity.

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Posted: August 05 2017 at 12:10am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Paul B.
Got to agree with you on range pick-up brass- it usually
ain't handloaders who leave their brass at ranges.

Nice, shiny, pricey, brand new, once fired, factory
brass - just laying there and military ranges were the
best.....

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Today, it's my range and my brass....
But when I lived in Ft. Worth, the public range was inhabited by morons who were nearly all members of the "Overloaded to explode" club. Most of their brass was usless. On the P.D. range, if it's your brass you kept it. Issue ammo fired brass was returned to the P.D. You always policed brass. Always.
Shooting with other officers was fine. Shooting on a public range was at best, a nerve racking and overall unpleasant experience. Far too often safety was something that was ignored. Like the clowns firing on the range, I didn't trust their empties either. So, no. On the rare occasion that I went to a public range I didn't pick up Bubba's brass.

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I've never shot at a public range, other than at a sanctioned match, but I know
folks that love to dig thru the trash cans, keep the brass they can use, and all
those nice plastic cartridge trays, make great containers for cast bullets.


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