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Posted: August 03 2017 at 2:19am | IP Logged Quote M700

Have been helping a friend set up her first hunting rifle. She shoots handguns regularly, but is intent on becoming a hunter. I believe she has chosen well, ending up with a very nice setup at reasonable cost:

Weatherby "Camilla" - a version of the Japanese built Vanguard rifle, with a stock shaped quite differently, intended for women. Hers is a .308 Win and handles very nicely. I'm impressed with the quality.

Talley scope bases/rings.

Swarovski 4-12x scope - that is one mighty fine scope. She picked it up used at a great price.



I handloaded some ammo for her, which shot real well, but she bought a couple of boxes of Federal Premium .308 ammo, loaded with the 165 gr Sierra SPBT Gameking, and it turned out to be perfect for her rifle.





Zeroed the rifle at 200 yards with the factory ammo. During the sight-in process I shot about a 1/2" group at 100 yards and she shot one that was only slightly larger, with the factory ammo. By the end of the range session, she was having no problem dinging the 300 yard gong!

She tagged along with me on my elk hunt last winter, helped drag the elk off that snowy ridge and is well on her way to becoming a hunter. Am glad that her rifle/scope/ammo combo is working out so well. She's got a Montana sling on order, and is buying more of that Federal ammo 'cause she doesn't want to bother me about handloading for her all the time. Besides, it shoots great!

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Posted: August 03 2017 at 4:03am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Hard to go wrong with a quality .308 and scope. Sounds like she chose wisely. Good on you for mentoring her.

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Posted: August 03 2017 at 3:17pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Looks good, shoots good, and another hunter joins the ranks. Can't ask for much more than that.

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   GREAT ! and its a real keeper!   Stay safe Joe

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Posted: August 03 2017 at 7:44pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

Nice rifle and apparently it and the ammo are both quite accurate for sure.

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Posted: August 04 2017 at 2:36pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Am I the only one who finds that the 308 kicks like
mule out of some bolt action guns?

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Posted: August 04 2017 at 3:10pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

REM1875 wrote:
Am I the only one who finds that the 308 kicks like
mule out of some bolt action guns?


My wife has 2 of them. One, a Savage, she would only shoot with reduced recoil loads. The other, a Ruger Gunsite Scout, she shoots handily with up to and including 180gr loads. She will do 50-70 rounds per range session with it.

Likewise, I have a Savage 840 in 30-30 which to me kicks about the same as my M700 in 35 Whelen. I know it isn't putting anywhere near the force into me, it's just how it feels.

I would posit that it has as much or more to do with how the gun fits the shooter and the design of the stock than it does with the round being fired.


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Posted: August 04 2017 at 4:20pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

"I would posit that it has as much or more to do with
how the gun fits the shooter and the design of the stock
than it does with the round being fired."


Agreed
So far my BLR in 308 is nothing like I have experienced
with other rifles......

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Posted: August 05 2017 at 8:12am | IP Logged Quote M700

REM1875 wrote:
"I would posit that it has as much or more to do with
how the gun fits the shooter and the design of the stock
than it does with the round being fired."


Agreed
So far my BLR in 308 is nothing like I have experienced
with other rifles......


Worse than others? We've had a .308 Browning BLR in the family since the 1980's. Maybe 70's? And I don't find anything particularly obnoxious about the recoil.

Stock design/fit...

That's one of the great things about this new Weatherby "Camilla" - it's designed for women, and the owner tells me that it's very comfortable for her, and easy to shoot. I've shot it a few times, and even though the stock is too danged short for me - it is otherwise a very comfortable rifle. Very interesting, subtle changes in the way the stock is shaped. I think Weatherby did a real good job with this one, for the market they're trying to reach.

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Posted: August 05 2017 at 9:41am | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

308 and 165's go together like bread and butter.
Hopefully that gal gets a chance to punch her own elk tag this year.


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Posted: August 05 2017 at 12:56pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

My buddy had a late 60's - early 70's Model 70 chambered in 30-06. It had a really nice beautifully grained stock with Monte Carlo cheek piece. It was fairly heavy, but that rifle would hurt you to shoot it. Although I never measured the drop at the heel, the stock seemed a bit too straight.

He sold it to a guy he did not like and got a lighter Model 70 in the same chambering and even though the new rifle weighed much less and had a lighter barrel as well, he could shoot a couple boxes of ammo through it without even a complaint. Stock set up makes a lot of difference.

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Posted: August 05 2017 at 1:11pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

M700 wrote:
REM1875 wrote:
"I would posit that it has as much or more to do with
how the gun fits the shooter and the design of the stock
than it does with the round being fired."


Agreed
So far my BLR in 308 is nothing like I have experienced
with other rifles......


Worse than others? We've had a .308 Browning BLR in the family since the 1980's. Maybe 70's? And I don't find anything particularly obnoxious about the recoil.

Stock design/fit...

That's one of the great things about this new Weatherby "Camilla" - it's designed for women, and the owner tells me that it's very comfortable for her, and easy to shoot. I've shot it a few times, and even though the stock is too danged short for me - it is otherwise a very comfortable rifle. Very interesting, subtle changes in the way the stock is shaped. I think Weatherby did a real good job with this one, for the market they're trying to reach.

Guy


Originally, my wife had wanted a Savage Lady Hunter, which is likewise designed for female shooters. This was to replace her other Savage, which she did not enjoy shooting at all. Then she tried the Ruger and found the stock length was to her liking and the way the rifle balanced was also good for her.

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Posted: August 05 2017 at 5:28pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

No--- sorry I didn't explain it well enough - I find the
BLR in 308 more pleasant to shoot than several bolt
actions I have shot in 308 (not all but a few)

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Posted: August 06 2017 at 3:30am | IP Logged Quote M700

Ah, wasn't sure. Thanks for the clarification.

My guess is that the bolt actions you experienced unpleasant recoil with, simply didn't fit you well.

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REM1875 wrote:
No--- sorry I didn't explain
it well enough - I find the
BLR in 308 more pleasant to shoot than
several bolt
actions I have shot in 308 (not all but a
few)


My wife's 270Win is a BLR... She absolutely
loves it and I definitely prefer it over any
other lever gun I've ever shot... action is
like glass.
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Posted: August 06 2017 at 7:24am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Guy, good going. I know that this young lady will be prepared for the hunt, and will be in the asset column of the hunting world. Proper training will always render proper results. I know she's going to be just fine. Well done amigo!

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Posted: August 06 2017 at 10:38am | IP Logged Quote M700

Thanks, she's quite a gal, and I suspect that she'll have a blast this year hunting. I understand that she and a friend have a plan to camp somewhere in the mountains near here for a week, hunting from their camp.

If she misses - she won't be able to blame the rifle!

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Posted: August 07 2017 at 4:29pm | IP Logged Quote hoghunter

Great shooting - most 308's group really well but that
group is exceptional.

308 is a great caliber. I have two, a Rem 700 and more
recently a Tikka. Been shooting the 308 for about 25
years now. IMR 4064 and Varget work very well for me with
150 grain bullets.

The Tikka kicks like a mule. It was an impluse buy, got
it on sale at 30% off so I bit.

I like the 150 grain Sierra Pro Hunter for white tail.
Knocks them flat.

Been experimenting with the 125 Sierra's in the Tikka.
Less recoil and adequately accurate with H4895.
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Posted: August 09 2017 at 9:27am | IP Logged Quote M700

Re bullet weights for the .308, I'm probably biased from shooting so many 165's & 168's through my .308's over 20+ years. Really like them, and know the trajectory very well.

The biggest reason I didn't recommend the 150's to her though, was because she wants this rifle as a do-it-all rifle to hunt the Northwest:

bear
elk
mule deer
whitetail
etc...

I just felt a little "safer" to recommend the 165's, with bear & elk on the list. Though I've seen bear fall to the 150 gr .30 cal as well.

Another hunter I helped several years ago is rather small in stature, and although she shoots well, her danged lightweight SAKO was recoiling pretty hard, so we dropped down to the 125 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip.

Excellent accuracy, as expected, and very good performance on a nice fat whitetail buck too!

I really do like the .308 Win. So easy to load and shoot, and very effective in the field.

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Guy, my father always said to carry a gun that you can find ammunition for in any feed store, hardware store, or trading post (still had one on the rez as a kid). I always found that works. One can go anywhere ammo is sold and find 308Win.

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