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Posted: August 04 2017 at 7:48pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

anybody every load 4000MR in 45-70? plenty of 30-06 loads with it... Varget is my current favorite rifle powder and does great in both 45-70 and 30-06... as well as many others... been tempted for a while to see what 4000MR will do in 45-70.

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Posted: August 04 2017 at 8:04pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

If a person just has to shoot smokeless thru the 45-70, 5744, 3031 and 4895
will all do anything needing done in the grand ol cartridge.

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Posted: August 04 2017 at 8:19pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

tried 3031, and 4895... can't get them to beat my compressed varget loads. For me the fun is in the experimentation and maxing out my loads for my gun, which i'm confident can take anything i can throw at it, being a Sabatti sxs that is also chamberered in big game cartridges.
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Posted: August 04 2017 at 8:56pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

I never look for the maximum load a gun will take, I look for the smallest
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Posted: August 04 2017 at 9:05pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

totally happy with minute of grapefruit in most case here... i was an expert marksman in the marines, designated marksman down range, but now that I'm hunting in the mountains where game can surprise you i avoid optics and any long shots (beyond 300 yards{though with 45-70 never taken a shot beyond 200 in the field}) is probably across a ravine I have no desire to hike up and down to drag the game through... so i stick with open sites and best knock down.

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Have you actually used the 45-70 on game?


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Posted: August 05 2017 at 6:50am | IP Logged Quote The_Shadow

Atavist, thank you for your service. The 45-70 is a
great cartridge and people have made amazing shots with
it, even out to 1000 yards using that Old Black Smokey
powder.

Game animals can surprise you even with well placed
shots as to just how far they can travel before they
succumb to the blood loss vs a central nervous system
disruption.

Good luck.


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Posted: August 05 2017 at 7:38am | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Hi again Ranch,
I'm considering the 4000MR for those 535gr bear loads since I ran out of case space with varget.... not hunting ammo... unfortunately I've only hunted white tail with the 45-70 and stick to a 300gr LFP at 2000fps... drops them like a sack of potatoes... all the wide ends of the spectrum experimenting is just for fun not because i think i need more for whitetail... or heck even elk.
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The_Shadow wrote:
Atavist, thank you for your service. The 45-70 is a
great cartridge and people have made amazing shots with
it, even out to 1000 yards using that Old Black Smokey
powder.

Game animals can surprise you even with well placed
shots as to just how far they can travel before they
succumb to the blood loss vs a central nervous system
disruption.

Good luck.


Hi shadow... unfortunately not going to be making any 1000 yard shots with my rifle... though the cartridge is well capable my rifle is open sites (three dot fiber optics) which is not ideal for long range shooting, and the gun itself being a sxs is regulated to 50 yards... i can confidently reach out to 300 yards on the right barrel but would take a lot of kentucky windage to bring the left on target... with the site set up as is there is a lot of target obstruction at that range
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[QUOTE=The_Shadow] Atavist, thank you for your service. The 45-70 is a
great cartridge and people have made amazing shots with
it, even out to 1000 yards using that Old Black Smokey
powder.

Game animals can surprise you even with well placed
shots as to just how far they can travel before they
succumb to the blood loss vs a central nervous system
disruption.

Good luck.
[/QUOTE

Hi Shadow,
Unfortunately no 1000 yards shots on my rifle... she's a sxs regulated to 50 yards... the right barrel shoots where she aims but with three dot fiber optic sites there is too much target obstruction for confidence over 300 yards.
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Posted: August 05 2017 at 9:30am | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Probably the most spectacular elk kill I've ever made was shooting a 45-85
sharps with 525 gr paper patch bullet, over 80 gr of blackpowder. That bullet
caught him quartering away just in front of the last rib, and was laying under
the hide on the off side of the neck. Range was a lazered 204 yds. His legs
folded up and he hit the ground in the fetal position, almost before his shadow
got there. Velocity on that load is 1230 fps.

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Atavist --Very interesting rifle...Most likely current
import banned under Russian restrictions....
Remington marked?
Interested in hearing more about it - dog collars at
bore for regulation ?
How does that work?
Rated at trap door pressures?

I had a lot of problems with yellow like straw
particles from 3031 in 45-70 - a pity cause I like the
powder. I finally gave up on it in 45-70 as it fouled
the action - same results out of more than one can...
I had better luck with 5744 and 4895

I stand corrected I see your is the Italian Sabatti
and an entirely different animal than the Baikal
Russian rifles. My apologies....

Edited by REM1875 on August 05 2017 at 4:23pm


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REM1875 wrote:
Atavist --Very interesting rifle...Most likely current
import banned under Russian restrictions....
Remington marked?
Interested in hearing more about it - dog collars at
bore for regulation ?
How does that work?
Rated at trap door pressures?

I had a lot of problems with yellow like straw
particles from 3031 in 45-70 - a pity cause I like the
powder. I finally gave up on it in 45-70 as it fouled
the action - same results out of more than one can...
I had better luck with 5744 and 4895

I stand corrected I see your is the Italian Sabatti
and an entirely different animal than the Baikal
Russian rifles.


Was just writing a lengthy response when i saw your edit... the Sabatti is definitely a different animal than the Baikal. Spendy, for me, but worth every penny. These guns got a bad wrap about a decade ago when they were imported by cabellas, because cabellas pushed the timelines on the orders and the guns were not well regulated... mine is a new import through James at Italian Firarms Group. All the old bad press when they were imported by Cabellas is no longer accurate... For the money (which is quite a bit to me) I'm completely happy with the gun... and being also chambered in 9.3x74R which averages 43K CUP and proofed at 25% over pressure, i'm confident there is no way i can harm her with hot 45-70... tried uploading some pictures but can't seem to get them to take.
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Posted: August 05 2017 at 5:18pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Thanks Atavist
Explains a lot
Still a very interesting rifle and I will be interested
in hearing more about it in the future...

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Ranch 13 wrote:
Probably the most
spectacular elk kill I've ever made was
shooting a 45-85
sharps with 525 gr paper patch bullet, over
80 gr of blackpowder. That bullet
caught him quartering away just in front of
the last rib, and was laying under
the hide on the off side of the neck. Range
was a lazered 204 yds. His legs
folded up and he hit the ground in the fetal
position, almost before his shadow
got there. Velocity on that load is 1230 fps.


Great story, and good to know as far as
ballistic capabilities.
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