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Posted: August 06 2017 at 7:19am | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun


I didn't have a 9 mm and decided to give a polymer a try. Here in Florida the polymer guns come in handy because of their resistance to corrosion from sweat.

Knowing the Turks have produced some fine firearms down through the years, I decided to try a pistol from Sarsilmaz.

This is their SARK2P, which is a duty framed pistol with a 3.8" barrel. It is a CZ 75 variant. I didn't want it for concealed carry.



Accuracy has been good with the limited ammo I've tried in it. Seems to prefer 124 gr. bullets best. 147's come second and the 115's give the largest groups.

I've tried Remington, Federal and Aguila ammo with 115, 124 and 147 gr. bullets and it just eats them all. Absolutely no problems, as yet.

I even took out a cottonmouth yesterday with one shot from about 20' away.



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Posted: August 06 2017 at 7:40am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Interesting weapon. Already blasted a cottonmouth? Yeah buddy!
EAA doesn't import bad stuff. And they have a good customer service bunch if something does have an issue.

That weapon has a good feel to it. Well balanced when I looked at one a while back. Though partial to SA autos, that weapon did have "that feel" to it that most poly pistols don't. Glad ya got it. Now when it's all broke in and happy, we're going to expect some of your now famous targets showing up here to see how well it works for you. And again, good job on the moc!

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Posted: August 06 2017 at 9:18am | IP Logged Quote joed

I was never a big fan of the 9mm until I got away from the 115 gr
bullets.   I shoot 147 gr from my GLOCK and wouldn't switch to light
weight bullets again.

Looks like a nice gun.    

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Posted: August 06 2017 at 9:33am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

I have been shooting 115g 9mm for about 50 years and love them. They are very accurate in any 9 I put them thru. Lately I have been experimenting with 124 HST pull downs and also 147g same thing and I will say they work as well. I think I stay with 115g as that ia the size Browning went with when he invented the 9mm gun. Craig

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Posted: August 06 2017 at 6:29pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Always great to hear a report on a weapon
I'm not familiar with... my EDC is a 9mm
but I've always been partial to 45acp for
no real rational reason. Just grew up in a
military family and inherited the 1911 my
grandfather carried (then walked away
with) in Korea so lots of nostalgia for me
in those guns... back on topic, my little
kimber micro 9 loaths 115gr ammo...she has
a pretty heavy obviously very short spring
and will fail to return to battery or
fully eject 1 in 10... going up to 125gr
(or 147) she operates flawlessly. If
anybody wants a new conceal carry I
definitely recomend them.
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Posted: August 09 2017 at 1:38pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Not a big fan of 9mm BUT first day out of the
box I saw more Marines (male and female -big and small
-old and new) put lead in the black with the M-9 than
I ever saw out of the 45. ( I'll stick with the 45
though, thank you )

Use cast 148 gr 357 HP (sz 356) cast in most of my 9mm
calibers - Largo, Super, 9x23 etc.. and yes 9mm for
decades and when we got our Medusas I made up every
9mm/357 bullet I could think of to include the 9mm Win
Mag just to try them. (its one sweet shooter with the
9mm and others but the extractor system is weak)

As far as polymer the S&W bodyguard is as close as I
have gotten.
BUT I made a real bad mistake in handling a
Springfield SA XD(M) 5.25″ COMPETITION SERIES .40SW
in my local pawn shop - I never ever should have done
that ---ever... I like that gun!!! 45 or 40......

And yes I have faith in Turkish steel too and I want
the Tisas Fatih .380 (copy of the Beretta 85 looks
like)
And have been mildly paying attention to the Canik
guns since they hit the market.
I think Turkish gun are still a bargain for good
quality.......

Still a damned traditionalist over wood and steel
though but I am working on it

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I recently picked up a S&W M&P on the advice of a friend.   Only
mistake I made was I got it in .40 S&W.    

Big fan of the .45 acp and I thought I'd like the .40 but it has a very
sharp recoil and takes some getting used to.

The .45 is my favorite and I love my Kimber Pro Carry II.   The
GLOCK 26 is so small it fits in my pocket like a Colt DS.

Once I spend a little time with the M&P I may grow to like it, to early
to tell.

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Posted: August 09 2017 at 3:43pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Your 9mm is the same as the Witness P Compact, also imported by EAA. The Witness series are made in Italy by Tanfoglio. EAA is expanding their lines and are affiliated with USSG to reach out to a greater market. Of course, they also import the Bounty Hunter SAA made by Weihrauch in Germany. (A personal favorite of the Old Ranger).

Mike, I think that your choice was a good one. Like I said earlier I'll be waiting for the target work you do with it.

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Posted: August 09 2017 at 5:17pm | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

Wade,

Yep, the K2P and Witness P Compact are peas in a pod. After reading several reviews of the pistol I thought it might be a good one to take a chance on.

I plan to order dies for the 9 Luger and some Berry's bullets to go with them. I haven't slugged the barrel but I have LEE's 358-125 rf bullet mold and it may just work.

I bought the pistol to carry as a trail gun around my property and hunting area. It cost $255 new.

To date I have run Aguila, Federal AE, Federal Champion, Blazer and Remington ammo through it and it has run smoothly. Not one hiccup! I've been catching ammo on sale at Academy and that has given me the chance to try different loadings.

Any ammo the K2P doesn't like will get another chance in the 9mm cylinder of my Blackhawk!


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Posted: August 09 2017 at 5:45pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Old Ranger wrote:
... Of course, they
also import the Bounty Hunter SAA made by
Weihrauch in Germany. (A personal favorite
of the Old Ranger)...


Love if you could give us a good
revireason of the Bounty hunter... never
seen one in person.
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Posted: August 09 2017 at 5:45pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yeah Mike, that's a great price. When I had a Silver Chrome Browning Hi Power, I shot .358429HP sized to .357" with a mild dose of Bullseye behind it. It was an accurate and reliable load! Not an everyday thing but it was fun.

That Lee 125gr RNFP would be fantastic in your pistol! A moderate bit of Unique would make it really scream! You're getting me all giddy about a 9mm again. Last one was a 1st generation Glock 19 with a 3 didget ser. number. Was my last duty gun in the PD. Sold it soon after retirement. But yours sounds more comfortable and properly hand filling like the CZ75 family. I liked how the Witness P felt when I looked at one in the shop.
Yup, I'm tickled you got a cottonmouth whacker, that with JHP's would drop something bigger that might show up and needed encouragement to leave or be carried off. .
So go have fun!

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Posted: August 09 2017 at 5:55pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Atavist wrote:
Old Ranger wrote:
... Of course, they
also import the Bounty Hunter SAA made by
Weihrauch in Germany. (A personal favorite
of the Old Ranger)...


Love if you could give us a good
revireason of the Bounty hunter... never
seen one in person.


Not to hijack Mike's thread, below is the post on my 4 1/2" .44mag Bounty Hunter. Hope I did the link thing right, I am not friendly with computers.

http://forums.handloads.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=35385&PN=5

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Posted: August 09 2017 at 8:22pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Old Ranger wrote:
Yeah Mike, that's a great price.
When I had a Silver Chrome Browning Hi Power, I shot
.358429HP sized to .357" with a mild dose of Bullseye
behind it. It was an accurate and reliable load! Not
an everyday thing but it was fun.

That Lee 125gr RNFP would be fantastic in your pistol!
A moderate bit of Unique would make it really scream!
You're getting me all giddy about a 9mm again. Last
one was a 1st generation Glock 19 with a 3 didget ser.
number. Was my last duty gun in the PD. Sold it soon
after retirement. But yours sounds more comfortable
and properly hand filling like the CZ75 family. I
liked how the Witness P felt when I looked at one in
the shop.
Yup, I'm tickled you got a cottonmouth whacker, that
with JHP's would drop something bigger that might show
up and needed encouragement to leave or be carried
off. .
So go have fun!



Yeah Wade that 358429 is the one I was talking
about shooting in 9mm --through 357 maxi and all in
between. Just done firing a few in 357 Mag in my Ruger
M-77/357 (I will comment more on that later in another
thread).....I got a used 6 gang and even though it
requires a little fiddling with when it cast it cast
and it is my everything under the sun bullet ........
Think they weigh in around 148 if recall correctly.
Suspect I powered mine with Unique. I was shooting
them in some of the alloy P-38s (used police weapons-
I brought back from Germany) and became concerned
about the beating to the alloy frame. There was some
bulging of the case but a quick bump into a sizing die
with stem removed (all we had back then) made them
shootable. They real shine in 38 Super and 9 Largo.

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I had a full sized Witness Tanfoglio in .45 acp for around ten years and fired thousands of rounds through it without any problems whatsoever. It of course had a steel frame, but that CZ design is a good one. It pointed where I was looking so it was easy to shoot.

I just recently bought a police trade-in S&W M&P in .40 S&W with Tritium sights. That is my first polymer frame as well as striker fire handgun. It functions just fine and points well plus feels good in the hand. I do not load for the .40 S&W so I have only fired two types of ammo through it so far and I was not impressed with the accuracy. Too early to really have a good opinion on it's accuracy potential, but the polymer frame seems to be just as tight and sturdy as many with steel.

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Posted: August 18 2017 at 1:08pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Hey Mike! How's your new shooter doing? You shoot anymore cottonmouth uglies lately? Rain drove one up to the house couple days ago. My ancient 870 20ga and #7 1/2 did just fine.

Really looking closely at the steel framed Witness... Liked the heft it has.

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So far I've not taken any more snakes with the new heater.

The bore of this pistol appears pristine and slugs at a very consistent .356". There is no slop or play between the pistols slide and frame. All the pistols controls appear to be smoothing out with continued use.

Bullets I have on hand include the Berry's shown in the below pic. I am impressed with these bullets. They measure a very consistent .3555" and have a very fine polish.

The Berrys 124gr. HBFP bullets loaded over 4.6gr. Unique have given the best accuracy to date with a group of 1.25" at 13yds. These were the first loads using Unique and I think this powder will give better groups with a little more tinkering. I tried Bullseye but the groups were not as tight.

Incidentally, the loads of Unique were not weighed, but were thrown with my LEE Perfect Powder Measure. I plan to up the charge to about 5.0gr. of Unique and see if the groups tighten up.



Other bullets on hand are Hornady's 124gr. and 147gr. XTP's and Speers 147gr. GD's. And, since the groove diameter of this barrel is .356", the Winchester 125gr. HP's for the 38/.357 should work just fine since my bags measure .3565". But, I haven't tried any of these, yet.

My dies were made by LEE.

Time will tell.


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I'm with you on the berry's bullets... my
favorite load for my EDC kimber micro 9 is
8grains of blue dot behind a berry's
target hollow point, running an average of
1148fps with a std dev of 11fps... having
tested these bullets on soft and hard
targets they are definitely a great value
for the perfomance... they really flatten
out on impact but also stay in one
piece... some more expensive high tech
hollow points I've tried fragment and
don't seem as consistent with the same
load.... at something like .08 a bullet
they just can't be beat
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Only a few 9 mm hee.
1911, S&W Shield for the wife and a FN BHP.
Like the BHP the best with 147 gr FMJ.

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Berry's
40s in 180 grain have been popular here ...in more than
a few calibers....

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I can't help but agree with the assessment of the Berry's Bullets being consistent and accurate. Been great in my 44 and the 45ACP. I can imagine that the 9mm offerings are no less superb.

Lee dies huh? How are they working out? Only Lee dies I have are for the 45Colt. Sizing and belling dies are ok, but the seating die leaves something to be desired. The crimping portion is pitiful. I can't use it so I seat and crimp with the Lyman 310. Any different with the tapered design of the 9mm?

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