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Posted: August 09 2017 at 6:34pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Just read Old Rangers old post on the Bounty Hunter SAA (thanks Old Ranger) and peaked my interest to get a conversation on SAs going.

What do you have/had? How and why do/did you like it/hate it? Pros, cons format maybe to keep is simple.

The only SA I have at the moment is a Ruger New model blackhawk in 44mag.
Pros: can handle any load I can stuff in it. the hefty weight make recoil manageable and follow up shots reliable with all but the most overpowered of +P+ loads...

Cons:
Hate the BS ruger non indexing loading/unloading... i almost always miss a chamber and have to go around twice.

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I kinda like em- A lot and find I draw back the hammer
on everything I shoot automatically. (they tried to
break me of that with the M-9 but gun up- on target
and hammer was back don't even remember doing it.)
The way I shoot everything is a single action danged
near but I will limit it to just real single
actions....( and not even the 1911)

My favorite SA round is 327 Fed Mag tied with the
44-40, followed by 38-40, then 45 ACP, the 10mm, 30
Carbine, and then most everything else..

I prefer Remingtons (and replicas) -> Rugers -> S&W
(and Replicas)-> Merwin Hulberts (Replicas- I wish)
->any thing else -> colts (and Replica).

I want a 32-20 in a single action........ (and it will
have to be a colt replica) BUT if any of y'all
want to give away a Freedoms Arm I would be most
grateful though.

Birdshead grips have not showed up at my place often
enough for me to have an opinion on them....

In the days when dinosaurs roamed before the 454
Casull we used to soup up our Rugers in 45 colt and I
like mine a lot.....

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Posted: August 09 2017 at 10:06pm | IP Logged Quote M700

My sons each have Ruger Blackhawks, and are quite fond of them. Gifts from my father to his grandsons. Very cool.

They're almost identical, though one is a .357, and the other a .45 with cylinders for .45 ACP & .45 Colt:



Both shoot well. I've been surprised at how well the .45 ACP shoots - my youngest son usually keeps that cylinder in 'cause he knows he can drop into "Dad's gun room" pretty much anytime and pilfer a box or two of .45 ACP ammo... I actually encourage that. Keeps him shooting and coming by.

I enjoy shooting both of their Rugers and find no fault in them. They do just fine.

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I found a cylinder in the back room of a favorite gun
shop, they had no idea what it was, and tried once again
to make a 45 ACP cylinder for my Blackhawk and NO DREMEL
this time.... This time it worked after careful hand
stoning and my 45 has been wearing it ever since.....

Nice weapons- a loving treasure from a grandfather they
will remember and use.....

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I don't have the greatest luck using my smartphone and the internet. The signal in my old place in the woods is "iffy" at best. Tried posting my thoughts several times, each time it failed to send. I think that is actually a message to me not to post my views as I believe that my thoughts on the subject aren't what ya want to hear. So I'm not going to voice my opinion after all. I just might offend a few folks, and I wasn't raised that way.

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I'm very fond of SA's! Probably stems from watching so many westerns through the years. They are rugged and can be quite accurate.

My favorite is Ruger's newer(with transfer bar safety) Flattop Blackhawk in it's various chamberings. Perfect size and weight and chambered in excellent cartridges. I have.....one.

Now the rant.....
I would like to have a Colt SAA and could have bought one years ago. However, I cannot understand why Colt's would build a revolver(billed as a six shooter) that must be carried with the hammer down on an empty chamber in order to be safe. Effectively making it a (five shooter).

No telling how many people carry their SAA's (and clones of the same) with all six chambers loaded, not knowing any better. Using the loading notch as a safety. Inherited firearms don't necessarily come with safety warnings.

Colt's should have corrected this many year ago!

So, I like my Blackhawks with their strengths and safer designs.



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Posted: August 10 2017 at 8:16am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Wade

Your feelings about Rugers have been duly noted in the
past and appreciated and evaluated


How's that for tact ...

Actually Wade is correct from his experience for
him.......Just like my experience with Colts and Colt
replicas are for me and maybe no one else here....
(and only for colt SA- as doubles and semi-auto's I
really like)

The odd thing Buffalogun is that Colt,
Remington and most of the rest had an offset to safely
drop the hammer in on most percussion guns before
center fires - so they actually could be 6 shooters
and carried that way.......

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Posted: August 10 2017 at 8:21am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Hey Wade
You are probably one of our most experienced SA shooters
in the group -I am sure we would like to hear your
comments ....even if they may not be the same as ours...

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Posted: August 10 2017 at 9:26am | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

I suppose I am a bit fickle as my first handgun was a 6 1/2" 3-screw old model Blackhawk Flattop in .44 mag. and I have a special place in my heart for SA handguns. I will always have this handgun until I am worm food.

The old model was a five shooter for many years until I had Ruger put in their transfer bar safety. Sacrilege according to Ruger collectors, but I could care less as I prefer to carry six rounds safely. After a few years use the trigger has become just as good as the old one. Still requires the half cock to release the cylinder for loading.

I have way more double actions than SA but, for the larger calibers I think I prefer a SA as one can shoot them just about as fast as any double action if one wants to actually hit something. Heck SA revolvers were used as combat weapons for many, many years.

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Ok Joe, you called down the dragon.....

I cut my teeth on a '51 Colt Navy percussion revolver. I've got half a dozen various BP revolvers still. Got 5 cartridge single actions in the drawer. Been cocking my pistols since 1958 as a young lad. Been casting and loading them since around 1960. After graduating from gunsmith school, I apprenticed under an old master for four years with no pay to learn. He had worked in the Colt custom shop and later, with Bill Ruger when he began his business. When he thought I was ready he handed me a box of parts and told me to build a pistol. I had three days. I built a Colt SAA in .44Spl with a 4 3/4" barrel. I cut & crowned the barrel. Bored the cylinder from the smaller cylinder he gave me. Hand forged parts and machined and hand fit others. In the 3 days I built from a box of random parts, a handmade blued. Colt SAA. The old man looked it over. Test fired it. Handed it back to me with a half smile saying I was alright and the Colt was my graduation present as I earned it. I spent the next few decades gunsmithing, pistols being my specialty. So yeah, I might know a little about em.

Ruger stopped making real single actions with the introduction of the New Model Blackhawk. An example of law suit fear. There was nothing wrong with the 3 screw models. They were fine. But a few idiots playing cowboy with a round under the hammer shooting themselves in the ass playing quick draw caused Ruger to panic and build the current abominations they sell. I tried a few. Disgusting. I sold or traded quickly. Took weeks to get the bad smell outta my house!

Nope, you want a real single action today, buy a Uberti or Pietta made in Italy. Smooth actions, well fit and finished. Tight tolerance and built for action. And only an idiot would load 6, unless at the range with no intention of holstering his piece.

You want more strength, buy a Bounty Hunter SAA. 15% larger/stronger. Frame mounted rebounding firing pin. Ruger licensed transfer bar. BUT it works like a Colt! Got a half cock for loading and unloading. No stupid open the loading gate and have the cylinder flop around. Even their .22LR model is full size, made for a man that wants his sixguns to feel and act like one. My .44mag Bounty Hunter will put all 6 into the same ragged hole at 15yds and even with my wobbly hands off a rest at 25yds I'll get 6 shot groups 2"~2 1/2" if I'm steady. And you can load it with 6 without fear of blowing your ass off!

Big monster magnum loads that would derail a coal train are stupid too. A 45Colt will take the fight outta anything. A 44Spl or moderate loaded 44mag too. You don't need a howitzer with a hand grip. But some just gotta feed their ego. When I step out into my woods, I don't feel unarmed with one of my single actions. Shot placement, not foolish blasts from too much gun, will end the threat. I've killed deer with a.36cal and .44cal cap & ball revolvers. One shot. Took a couple with a .38Spl too. Shot placement, close range, and patience not massive amounts of incendiary rounds from a hand cannon.

Ok Joe, you asked for my thoughts. Remember, I was gonna remain quiet.

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Posted: August 10 2017 at 11:56am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

That wasn't bad Wade -it's what we wanted to
know about your experience.
I like some big bad and brutal occasionally and I have
some that will do that and then I like others too.
From 22 LR to 45-70 I like SA. (ya just never know
when Texas will open Mastodon season up and I want to
be prepared.....)   

I just like to shoot and reload.....I want as wide an
experience as I can possibly get......

Some days cause of pain I want to knock the snot out
of me and other days I want to cut neat round boring
(boaring ) holes, right on top of each other, in
something. Some day I want to test the limits of the
round other days I want to test my limits...I am
curious and want to know......

It would be a shame Wade if we didn't get the opinion
some one with your knowledge. Like I said before even
though I got over 4 decades with SAs- you are probably
one of our most experienced SA shooters...

By the way the round I am really interested in this
time is the 41 Spl .........( I know Double Action but
proof not all my rounds lately are the 460......)

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Thanks for the post Wade... answered several questions I had about uberti and the more historically accurate clones vs. the bounty hunter... Also, the attitudes and experience represented here are definitely tempering my desire for hand (or shoulder) fired howitzers. I think I'll have to give one of the Bounty Hunters a try in 357 and if I like it as much as I think i will trade in my blackhawk... it's no doubt a good weapon, but like you I hate the way they load. The Bounty hunter sounds like a good way to split the difference between the brute strength of the blackhawk and the form and function of a SAA.

I hope when you retired from gunsmithing you were able to pass on the shop and all that knowledge... true gunsmithing like many trades today is a dying art.
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As much as I like the looks of the old Ruger XR3 frame grips, they just are not up to the task of controlling recoil from the more potent magnum rounds. I have scars in the web of my right hand from the bite of the frame to prove it.

A set of Herritts Shooting Star grips made a real controllable shooter out of my little Flattop.

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John Van Gelder has been pumping rounds out the old thumb busters for over half a century or better as well. He's got lots of experience with loads proven time and time again. Would pay y'all to check out a few of his posts.
John's also a might more tolerant of the new Rugers than this old man.

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I've had three Rugers, two Blackhawks and a Vaquero. I don't like them anywhere near as much as Wade does, which is why they have been gone for a long time.

I currently have an AWA Longhorn and a Mitchell Arms (made by Uberti) which are copies of the Colt SAA. They are both well made, very well balanced and are enjoyable to shoot.

I also have two Navy Arms Schofields, also made by Uberti. Their pros are the same as the AWA and Mitchell, with the added bonus of being able to use speedloaders to show young police officers just how great their plastic, high capacity autos really aren't.
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RT58 wrote:


I also have two Navy Arms Schofields, also
made by Uberti. Their pros are the same as
the AWA and Mitchell, with the added bonus
of being able to use speedloaders to show
young police officers just how great their
plastic, high capacity autos really
aren't.


Had almost forgotten entirely about the
schofields... if someone would turn one
out in 357 I'd be in and quick... with
modern steels and heat treats you'd think
it could be done.
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Only have one SA now. A Ruger Vaquero in 45 Colt.
It's OK but I don't shoot it much at all.
Had 2 Colt 1873, 45 Colt and 44 SPL.
Just seem to be into DA S&W revolvers.

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The XR3
From Brownells' site

"Ruger XR, XR3-RED & New Model grip frames.
There is considerable confusion relative to the
factory nomenclature used to identify the different
generations of grip frames used on the Ruger single
action revolvers.

The XR3 was the original grip frame casting that
replicated the Colt single action size and shape. This
grip frame is typically found on early flat top
Blackhawk and Single Six revolvers.

The XR3-RED grip frame was the last grip frame used on
the three screw Blackhawk and Single-Six models. The
RED stands for redesigned and indicates that the shape
and dimensions of the grip frame mold where changed
from the original XR3 mold.

The XR3-RED grip frame is no longer available as a
replacement part. A point of interest is that the grip
frames from the Ruger Old Army, CB00300, #780-000-115
blue and KCB00300, #780-000-394 stainless steel, are
effectively XR3-RED style grip frames and may be used
as replacements for same.

With the redesign of the Blackhawk action in to what
is now called the New Model the trigger return spring
was changed. This change no longer required the return
spring and plunger formally required in the XR3-RED
grip frame. The New Model grip frame eliminates the
hole for the trigger return spring and plunger hole
that is found in the XR3-RED grip frame. The New Model
grip frame (for the Blackhawk, Vaquero and Single-Six)
is designated as XR00300.

Frequently the XR00300 grip frame is mistakenly
referred to as the XR3-RED grip frame. This is not
technically correct although the contour of the XR3-
RED and XR00300 grip frames are the same and will use
the same grip panels."

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I have had a problem with our Schofield from Navy Arms
back in the 90s- cylinder drags on frame no matter if
45 S&W or 45 Colt is fired. I had it apart so may
times and freed up and then it does it again at some
future random time.

It has never had a single 'hot' round through it.

I pull it apart ....free it up....it behaves well for
awhile then ....again and again.....
Nothing I can see..
That Navy Arms company disappeared long ago and I
don't think the new one can help.....
I think there was a reason why S&W never chambered 45
Colt in those...
Any ideas.....

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Suggestions? Yeah, sell it and buy a Colt! Ha!

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