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Posted: August 14 2017 at 12:22pm | IP Logged Quote RT58

Old Ranger wrote:
...I remember a few of my hunting buddies looking at me like I was an idiot going into the woods with a '51 Navy. But that soft .375" round ball flattened out to the size of a nickel and a modest sized whitetail buck 6 point was on the ground a few feet from where he was shot. Sixguns do nicely in the field.



That was one of the biggest changes smokeless powders did to ammunition. Modern gun writers have everyone thinking they need a hard lead or jacketed hollow point bullet with 50,000 psi to hunt bunny rabbits. Pure lead bullets at black powder velocities can do some impressive damage.
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Indeed. I have killed 300 pound plus boars with a 2nd Mod Colt Dragoon more than once. That big old .44 round ball punches big deep holes in things and renders them null and void!
And laugh if you like, but I also carried a Colt Wells Fargo .31 caliber off duty a few times and I didn't ever feel like I was under-gunned.
Never sell the old guns short, that's what I tell young shooters who think they have to get hi capacity magazine autos to spray the countryside with bullets.

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RT58 wrote:
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...I remember a few of my hunting buddies looking at me like I was an idiot going into the woods with a '51 Navy. But that soft .375" round ball flattened out to the size of a nickel and a modest sized whitetail buck 6 point was on the ground a few feet from where he was shot. Sixguns do nicely in the field.



That was one of the biggest changes smokeless powders did to ammunition. Modern gun writers have everyone thinking they need a hard lead or jacketed hollow point bullet with 50,000 psi to hunt bunny rabbits. Pure lead bullets at black powder velocities can do some impressive damage.


Now, wait a sec. I'm fairly sure I read that the minimum ethical caliber for rabbit was .416 Rigby and that's only 47 kpsi. So, please, be fair to modern gun writers and don't exaggerate.   

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Posted: August 15 2017 at 6:42pm | IP Logged Quote John P.

I've shot many different firearms from the M-4 and MP5 to BP rifles and
handguns. My absolute favorites are big bore sixguns especially single
actions. My two are a Ruger SBH, 4 5/8 inch barrel, in .44 Magnum,
and a 5 1/2 inch Ruger Bisley in .45 Colt. I load both cartridges using
240-250 grain cast bullets using either Unique or 2400. Loads range
from mild to fairly hot.

This was one of the best threads I have seen on this site in a long time.
Great information from everyone who posted. I especially enjoyed
hearing about Ranger's off duty Colt! I am looked at, on the range, like
an antique when I qualify with a S&W m-66 for off duty. "What's that"
and "I never shot a revolver" are the most often heard comments.
"Never sell the old guns short," as they do indeed work well, and that
includes our single actions.



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A 255 gr KSW with 8 gr of Unique in a 45 Colt has been my load for 40 years now.....

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KinleyWater

"Now, wait a sec. I'm fairly sure I read that the
minimum ethical caliber for rabbit was .416 Rigby and
that's only 47 kpsi. So, please, be fair to modern gun
writers and don't exaggerate."


No that's for squirrel, ya need something heavier for
rabbit....

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STCM(SW) wrote:
A 255 gr KSW with 8 gr of Unique in a 45 Colt has been my load for 40 years now.....


Yes sir, that's THE magical load!

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Old Ranger wrote:
STCM(SW) wrote:
A 255 gr KSW with 8 gr of Unique in a 45 Colt has been my load for 40 years now.....


Yes sir, that's THE magical load!


Have been using that for a very long time now, in my double-action Colt:


Remarkably accurate old Colt, handed down to me from my Grandfather. It's been mine for over 30 years, and in my life... Well, for my entire life!

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And I am guilty of actually using a large caliber on a tiny rodent. Recently, while returning from a walkabout with my dogs, I came across a little mole surfacing in the lawn. All I had on me was my .45Colt. I drew and fired from 10ft. It vaporized the upper half of it. I could almost hear Robert Redford's voice saying "Ya think ya used enough dynamite there Butch?" when I holstered my sixgun.

But I shot a cottonmouth snake with a .22L in the head 4 times last year before it died. A slug from a .38Spl or bigger would have been all that was needed. Lessons learned. I now walk my woods with a bigger gun than a .22.

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John P. wrote:
...I am looked at, on the range, like
an antique when I qualify with a S&W m-66 for off duty. "What's that"
and "I never shot a revolver" are the most often heard comments...


I carried a revolver until I retired. We had hired a young guy once and I hadn't met him until we were re-qualifying. I overheard him talking to another officer and he said "Our range master carries a revolver? They told us at the academy that the only cops that carry revolvers are the ones that can't shoot." The other officer said, "Wait until you see him shoot. And he can do just as well with an auto." And I thought they never paid attention.
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Now, wait a sec. I'm fairly sure I read that the minimum ethical caliber for rabbit was .416 Rigby and that's only 47 kpsi. So, please, be fair to modern gun writers and don't exaggerate.   

I think you're right, I must have been thinking about Jack Rabbits instead of Bunnies, they're a little tougher to kill.
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REM1875 wrote:
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"Now, wait a sec. I'm fairly sure I read that the
minimum ethical caliber for rabbit was .416 Rigby and
that's only 47 kpsi. So, please, be fair to modern gun
writers and don't exaggerate."


No that's for squirrel, ya need something heavier for
rabbit....


I stand corrected - 458 Win Mag then?

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KinleyWater wrote:
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"Now, wait a sec. I'm fairly sure I read that the
minimum ethical caliber for rabbit was .416 Rigby and
that's only 47 kpsi. So, please, be fair to modern gun
writers and don't exaggerate."


No that's for squirrel, ya need something heavier for
rabbit....


I stand corrected - 458 Win Mag then?


For charging rabbits yes! You've seen Monte Python and the Holy Grail? Even the Holy Hand Grenade wasn't enough...

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Posted: August 16 2017 at 4:17pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

After hearing about the Bounty Hunter I've
been hunting the local gun shops trying to
find one to get my hands on.... haven't found
one yet but talking about why I want one with
a local gun shop ends up there is a fix for
the Ruger's sucky non-indexing loading ..
The Power Custom Ruger SA Half Cock hammer
and trigger kit... per the brownells site.

"Drop-In Kit Gives An Instant Trigger Job

CNC machined hammer and trigger reduce pull
weight to an easy-breaking 2˝ to 3 pounds.
Smoothly contoured trigger face gives a
lighter feel. Half-cock notch provides an
additional click when cocking, located so
chambers will line up with loading gate.
Allows cylinder to rotate without opening
loading gate. Raised boss around hammer pivot
hole eliminates side play; honed and polished
engagement surfaces provide consistent
trigger release. Requires no modification to
grip frame. Hammers provide a drop-in fit
only when used with Power Custom trigger.
Requires gunsmith fitting/alteration to
factory trigger. Factory Ruger®-style,
Bisley™, and Colt-style hammers available
depending on model. Duplicates the clean,
simple styling of the factory hammer."

For $150 that's easir to justify than a new
gun I've never laid hands on...


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So even with a half cock and indexing for
reload you don't aprove?
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... and more salt in the wound... Looks like
uberti has stepped up to compete with the
Bounty hunter and the new cattleman revolvers
have a free floating firing pin safety which
allows to carry on a loaded cylinder.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/21st-
century-saa-ubertis-1873-cattleman-ii-w-
retractable-firing-pin/
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Not to bust anyone's bubble, but I'm just not that interested. Theres other things going on in my life than wanting an altered version of a single action. Carry on.

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Posted: August 17 2017 at 4:42pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

And you thought it was just some harmless bunny rabbit, didn't ya!

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Old Ranger wrote:
Not to bust anyone's
bubble, but I'm just not that interested.
Theres other things going on in my life
than wanting an altered version of a
single action. Carry on.


No bubble busted here... was just hoping
you might have some good arguments for why
those mods aren't good... the ruger one
seems pretty sound to me... the floating
pin I'm a little iffy on, even if it is
supposedly an adaptation from glocks
trigger safety.
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