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Posted: August 17 2017 at 7:05pm | IP Logged Quote John P.

The Rugers non-indexing doesn't really bother me. I load and shoot 5
cartridges in my revolvers when I am on the range. For my Ruger
single actions, I open the loading gate and load the first charge hole. I
skip the next charge hole and load the next four. The empty charge
hole ends up under the hammer, and I am ready to shoot. As far as the
triggers, I never weighed mine, but they don't seem heavy. My only
complaint would be each has a slight creep.

Overall, I think that the Rugers are the best, reasonably priced, SA on
the market today. Yeah, you can get a Colt or Freedom Arms, but at
more that twice price.

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RT58 wrote:
John P. wrote:
...I am looked at, on the range, like
an antique when I qualify with a S&W m-66 for off duty. "What's that"
and "I never shot a revolver" are the most often heard comments...


I carried a revolver until I retired. We had hired a young guy once and I
hadn't met him until we were re-qualifying. I overheard him talking to
another officer and he said "Our range master carries a revolver? They
told us at the academy that the only cops that carry revolvers are the
ones that can't shoot." The other officer said, "Wait until you see him
shoot. And he can do just as well with an auto." And I thought they
never paid attention.

I was on our indoor range a few years ago. I was disposing of a couple
of boxes of turned in old Remington .38 Special 158 grain RN. It was
the older hotter green and white boxes market "police service." I was
shooting a nice center mass group on a "mug" target. I was using a
Colt Official Police that was an old LT's service handgun that I bought
for $60 (yes that is right). New guy was blazing away with issue Glock
19 and not hitting much. He wanted to try revolver, so I explained
basics. First shot was three feet above target hitting metal target track.
The deformed 158 grain LRN slid back across floor, stopping at my
foot. "OK kid you're done" was my next comment. Sometimes they
don't pay attention.


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Posted: August 18 2017 at 2:31am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Atavist wrote:
... and more salt in the wound...
Looks like
uberti has stepped up to compete with the
Bounty hunter and the new cattleman revolvers
have a free floating firing pin safety which
allows to carry on a loaded cylinder.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/21st-
century-saa-ubertis-1873-cattleman-ii-w-
retractable-firing-pin/


I am a little lost here- I got the wobbly firing pin
in the 1875 Remington 44-40 replica I bought 40 years
ago and in the ones I bought in the 80's?
Same with a colt replica from the mid 90's?
I'd have to check the others but that would involve
waking the Mrs and her night gun ain't resting on an
empty chamber ......
I always carry 5 for 2 main reasons
A) safety
B) neat little rows of 5 in my ammo boxes
Unless I am headed into a gun fight of course.


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Posted: August 18 2017 at 2:41am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

John P. wrote:
The Rugers non-indexing doesn't
really bother me. I load and shoot 5
cartridges in my revolvers when I am on the range.
For my Ruger
single actions, I open the loading gate and load the
first charge hole. I
skip the next charge hole and load the next four. The
empty charge
hole ends up under the hammer, and I am ready to
shoot. As far as the
triggers, I never weighed mine, but they don't seem
heavy. My only
complaint would be each has a slight creep.

Overall, I think that the Rugers are the best,
reasonably priced, SA on
the market today. Yeah, you can get a Colt or Freedom
Arms, but at
more that twice price.


I tend to agree but the "Ruger Single 7" I got in 327
Fed Mag is nightmare - I swear they just bored it and
managed to time it enough to let the hammer fall on
the rounds.
Loading and unloading are a pain with the slightest
miscalculation leading to rotating the cylinder till
ya get it right ...
Ruger cus'dem service says it's just fine.
Might be great for 6 rounds of 22 but 7 rounds of
32/327 seems to be a problem.

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Posted: August 18 2017 at 6:32am | IP Logged Quote Atavist

REM1875 wrote:
Atavist wrote:
... and
more salt in the wound...
Looks like
uberti has stepped up to compete with the
Bounty hunter and the new cattleman
revolvers
have a free floating firing pin safety
which
allows to carry on a loaded cylinder.

https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/21st-
century-saa-ubertis-1873-cattleman-ii-w-
retractable-firing-pin/


I am a little lost here- I got the wobbly
firing pin
in the 1875 Remington 44-40 replica I
bought 40 years
ago and in the ones I bought in the 80's?
Same with a colt replica from the mid
90's?
I'd have to check the others but that
would involve
waking the Mrs and her night gun ain't
resting on an
empty chamber ......
I always carry 5 for 2 main reasons
A) safety
B) neat little rows of 5 in my ammo boxes
Unless I am headed into a gun fight of
course.


The wobbly firing pin was normal on all
colts and replicas... that's just
tolerance built in so that a rigid pin if
misaligned doeant strike the frame and
break... the new cattleman II actually has
a retracting firing pin. If you aren't
pulling the trigger the pin goes back into
the hammer about a 1/16th of an inch so it
doesn't protrude through the frame and
can't strike the primer. Looks the same
to the naked eye but makes your six gun
six bullet safe.. pretty clever.

Edited by Atavist on August 18 2017 at 6:35am
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If it ain't broke then don't fix it. Hurumph....

Uberti is just trying to cover their ass from lawsuits from stupid people who don't know how to load and carry their weapons! And of course, give the whiny public their six rounds over the customary 5. That's so they'll have one more round to shoot off as fast as they can and not hit squat.

I'm going out to my pistol range now and shoot my inferior and seemingly usless SAA, loaded with 5 rounds. God forbid anything attacks me and I can't hit it with 5 and another one could save my life.... Hell, if I can't get it done with what I got I deserve to be eaten by the hogs!

Overheard in Gotham city....
" Holy Handguns, Batman! The Old Ranger is really on a roll this morning."
"Yes, Robin old chum, he is indeed. He's on his fifth cup of coffee and a rowdy old gent at the moment. Give him time to unwind with his correctly designed revolver on the range and he'll be fine."

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Posted: August 18 2017 at 7:55am | IP Logged Quote RT58

Old Ranger wrote:
If it ain't broke then don't fix it. Hurumph....

Uberti is just trying to cover their ass from lawsuits from stupid people who don't know how to load and carry their weapons! And of course, give the whiny public their six rounds over the customary 5. That's so they'll have one more round to shoot off as fast as they can and not hit squat.


Or it could be the cowboy-gamers looking for their typical "I want authenticity but still need a cheat to win." way of thinking.
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Posted: August 18 2017 at 8:19am | IP Logged Quote Atavist

For my part I just want the sixth bullet
because there is a sixth cylinder... love
the wife's sp101 and no problems with just
5 rounds... but loading 5 in 6 holes is
like loading 6 in a 7 round mag... it's
unnatural I tell you. Just unnatural. :p
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As a former gunsmith that specialized in pistols, I will say only this. Setting aside all traditional stuff, by adding more moving parts, modifying simple mechanisms that do not require it, and altering the basic function you invite failure, malfunctions, and breakage of parts. The laws of probability are that too many parts, pins, screws, connecting rods, etc. you will have overtaxed the functionality of a more simplistic and rugged device.

The addition parts introduced in the 1873 model's hammer and trigger will impede the speed and timing of the hammer, and effect the trigger movement. Anytime added mass is placed into a device dependent upon movement, the added mass will have an effect upon said movement. That is a law of physics, by the way.... Bottom line, if one expects smooth action, quick cocking, and the best ignition timing they're going to be disappointed. On the other hand, if they've never handled the unaffected standard, and just the new altered version, then they'll never know what they're missing and it won't matter huh?

If for the sake of loading that empty hole bothers folks, that's like people who can't stand a crooked picture on the wall or silverware even slightly out of alignment on the table. That's an OCD quirk and not a fault with a firearm design.

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Old Ranger wrote:
As a former gunsmith that specialized in pistols, I will say only this. Setting aside all traditional stuff, by adding more moving parts, modifying simple mechanisms that do not require it, and altering the basic function you invite failure, malfunctions, and breakage of parts. The laws of probability are that too many parts, pins, screws, connecting rods, etc. you will have overtaxed the functionality of a more simplistic and rugged device.

The addition parts introduced in the 1873 model's hammer and trigger will impede the speed and timing of the hammer, and effect the trigger movement. Anytime added mass is placed into a device dependent upon movement, the added mass will have an effect upon said movement. That is a law of physics, by the way.... Bottom line, if one expects smooth action, quick cocking, and the best ignition timing they're going to be disappointed. On the other hand, if they've never handled the unaffected standard, and just the new altered version, then they'll never know what they're missing and it won't matter huh?

If for the sake of loading that empty hole bothers folks, that's like people who can't stand a crooked picture on the wall or silverware even slightly out of alignment on the table. That's an OCD quirk and not a fault with a firearm design.


well said and i generally agree... though i wouldn't go so far as to call it OCD...

So your vote is for the Bounty Hunter transfer bar over the uberti retracting pin? I can see where the transfer bar system would definitely be less fragile...
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Now the transfer bar and the requirements of the trigger design is an independent design and not a modification. However, it does contain of course, parts not of the original design Mr. Richards of Colt made in 1872. And his internal design was further based upon 1847 technology on the moving internal parts. Therefore, if one is to select a newer design based upon the mechanics of cylinder rotation, trigger and sear operation, and loading then yes, the Bounty Hunter has those qualities. But it also departs from it's origins enough to be clasfied as a modern designed fireing design. Thus it will not possess the same smoothness of action. Remember, more parts equals more mass. More mass requires more energy to move. Lock time is slower. Trigger pull feels stiffer even if it weighs the same. It's the "felt" difference that's experienced over actual values on the scale. I view it as a modern designed comprise of an old classic fitting the requirements of strength, balance, value, and physical action similar to the original. It is not a Colt, nor is it claiming to be. Just a newer design that acts primarily like one buy far stronger and safe to carry the vaulted 6 rounds.

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Here's the one you sure don't shoot hot loads in. A copy of an 1871 Colt Richards & Mason conversion of an 1860 Colt Army percussion revolver. This model is a.38Spl, and just as accurate as the .44 Bounty Hunter. Notice the open top? Barrel is held by a wedge through an arbor (base pin in frame) just like the percussion revolver.

This is the reason I have zero +P or hot .38Spl loads in the house. A few cylinders full of hot stuff could really do some bad things to it. Though the rear sight's a V notch in the hammer nose and the front sight is an inverted V blade, this revolver shoots better than any .38Spl I ever had. The 1860 Army grips on this fit my hand perfectly. I'd like to get the same grip for my 1873 mod P. It eats up full wadcutter, SWC, old school RN, and the RCBS 140gr RNFP equally well.

And I carry it with the hammer resting on an empty chamber.

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Those old open tops are most definitely a
thing of beauty... if I ever have a
surplus of funds would love to have one
for plinking.
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Yup, this one's so slinky 'n purty I almost give it a girl's name..... And I don't call guns or guitars "her or she" and I never give one a name, but this one is close.

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Who's the manufacturer?
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A 2015 Uberti imported and marketed by Cimarron.
Although I prefer a 4 3/4" in a SAA, this conversion model is perfectly balanced in the 5 1/2" version. It's a very pleasant weapon to carry and shoot, being about 20% heavier than a 4 3/4" SAA, recoil is minimal.

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The wobbly firing pin was normal on all
colts and replicas... that's just tolerance built in
so that a rigid pin if misaligned doeant strike the
frame and break... the new cattleman II actually has a
retracting firing pin. If you aren't pulling the
trigger the pin goes back into the hammer about a
1/16th of an inch so it doesn't protrude through the
frame and can't strike the primer. Looks the same to
the naked eye but makes your six gun six bullet safe..
pretty clever.


Thanks for clearing that up for me !

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Back in the 70's when I started looking for an 1875
Remington to replace our original I looked at a
replica and commented to my dad the trigger pull was
not as smooth as the original. Th guy behind the
counter said in kinda a pissed off fashion
"Take it home and play with it for a hundred years and
it will be!"
He was only partially right.

Wade you are correct about extra parts - I mean look
at how much better the 1875 Remington is compared to
the 1873 colt? Good thing they based it off the
Remington 1858.

And how they got the 1873 Winchester to work so well
with all those parts? in the days of black powder?
And yet it did work well.......
The 1889 Marlin was a huge step forward (and a decade
and half later)
The 92 Winchester and 94 Marlin were miles ahead....

I must admit a certain amount of jealousy over that
1860 - sure is a great looker. They always were.
Sadly having 2 Colt Brass frame BP pull apart in the
70's and break has me a little gun shy - I never could
afford a gun the came apart irreplaceabley after few
shots. I am sure they are better now ( I at least hope
so)

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Anybody have any experience with the
remington 1875? Was just watching a Hickok
45 video on them... I like the looks of it...
the blade under the ejector rob and extended
frame makes her a bit sleaker than the 73
(imho) any major functional differences or
just aesthetic?
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Oddly enough I just happen to have experience with
both and believe it or not I am a big fan of the
REMington 1875. (and 1890)

First the 1875 was built off of the popular 1858
Remington. Not the colts.
The Remingtons are a solid frame vs the colt's
separate main frame and pistol grip.
The Remington cylinder is a single piece.
Inside they are similar enough that back in the days
when there were no Remington parts any more some
springs were made by modify colts......
The Remington has a wider trigger.
Angle of the grips and relationship to hammer-trigger
are different....

Although I tend to give other died in the wool colt
fans here hell this is my take after years of using
both (original and replica)---

The main thing is ----
see how they feel. ( see how they shoot for you if
possible) They feel different to hold and shoot and
that is about it .....

Yup that's it -it's basically that damned
simple.

(there are some other minor things but basically we
are just sitting around a pot bellied stove arguing
over whether the 32 Win SPl is better than the 30-30
or arguing over if the Marlin 336 is better than the
Win 94 or the Win 92 vs the Marlin 94)

Both excellent well designed guns- designed to outlast
most shooters

Now don't tell Wade I said any of this - I'll
deny it....


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