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Posted: August 21 2017 at 7:27pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

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Great info Rem1875, thanks...
annoyingly
it's almost impossible to get your hands
on any of these replicas locally... one of
the local shops has a few cimarron 1873s
but that's it.. anything else is luck of
the draw catching it as/if it passes
through in the used cabinet.
Seems tacti-cool is the rage now and the
pistol cabinet is full of dozens of sub
models of every polymer semi-auto... the
problem is probably that we have a strong
"Practical Shooting" club that does the
whole totally impractical John Wick wanna
be training and very small SASS. Each to
their own it is what it is...I'll keep
checking weekly.


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See if ya can talk then into ordering an "Outlaw" 1875
or 1890- I recommend the nickel on these. Mine has
held up pretty well for over 40 years now and that's
with over 10,000 rounds ....
Then match it to the 1873 colt. It's the best way to
tell short of shooting them and/or buying a brace....
(the S&W top break 44s and 45s are usually about x2
the price but well worth it if ya like them)

I recommend against using anything they did not make
back then other than 357 and 44 mag and then I
recommend against them and the 45 colt in a colt
lightning pump rifle (the rossi disaster)
I strongly recommend against the 45 colt (LC) in a top
break S&W
There is a reason they didn't chamber those old "sure
to make money" rounds in those guns and they did spend
time and effort trying too

Or stop by if ya are near far North Texas.......

Si habla Marine .......

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Rem1875... I actually tried to talk a few of the shops here into ordering in some pistols for inventory... can't sell'em if you don't have'em... but while happy to order them for me to buy they didn't want to order anything that wasn't already sold...
just posted a bit earlier today that I finally found a few Cimarron's in a shop today... i like the look of the bird's head and was considering that .. but boy would it roll in the hand... my pinky was hanging off and the web of my palm didn't even contact the back strap...

I like to keep to as few calibers as possible so the 357 is definitely what I'm on the hunt for...
of the other three revolvers they had in one of them had a stiff action and the other had a problem with the sere in the final position. to get it to stay cocked in notch 4 you had to really make a concerted effort... i told them they should take both out of the case and send them back now... so at the moment i'm thinking the way to go is a Taylor tuned smokewagon... they are $590 on wholesalehunter right now, so can't beat the price and having a tuned action gives me a lot better confidence they will be good to go out of the box.

I've heard the Pedersolli version of the lightning is a lot better than the uberti, and other variants that came our first... ever handle one of them? as it goes, without being able to get my hands on one I'm hesitant to make the leap and am leaning towards one of the japanese built winchester 73s... handled one in the store the other day and the action was as good as my wifes Browning lever gun ... like ice on glass... come to find out they are made in the same factory (go figure)... as much as we like my wifes browning, however, and with the same action on a lever gun with an elevator for controlled feed of SWC it sure makes an easy sale.
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Posted: August 21 2017 at 9:29pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

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You may be interested in this one from Davidsons - one
of 201 made.....
http://galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.aspx?
item=534250137
Great price Good people and warranty.
I got my WIN 38-40 and 32-20 take downs from them

On sale till the 25 Aug
I prefer the Marlin, Henry or next the Win 92

Too many danged parts on my 1873

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After this afternoon, I have a new nickname... Since I think in two languages, I'll translate into english...

Old Man Who Shoots Poorly.

I believe that I'm going to sell all my guns and become a transgender hairdresser!

Was out with my 4 3/4" 357Mag Uberti mod P and was so bad that I couldn't hit a paper plate at 25yds! Went to 15yds and hit it 3 out of 15! 7 1/2yds was all left, scattered, and just plain stinko!

Think its time to walk away from guns for a bit.


Wade, maybe you just need to put a scope on it.
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Needs to buy a Ruger AND

Wade, maybe you just need to put a scope on
it.




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REM1875 wrote:
Atavist
You may be interested in this one from
Davidsons - one
of 201 made.....
http://galleryofguns.com/genie/Default.asp
x?
item=534250137
Great price Good people and warranty.
I got my WIN 38-40 and 32-20 take downs
from them

On sale till the 25 Aug
I prefer the Marlin, Henry or next the Win
92

Too many danged parts on my 1873


Wasn't able to get the item page to open
for some reason.. what is it exactly so I
can do a search?
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     WRA 1873 TRAPPER 357 16B DE
Brand:      Winchester Repeating Arms
Model:      1873 Trapper Grade I Limited Series

Search this Number 534250137 select Gallery of Guns
result

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      WRA 1873 TRAPPER 357 16B DE
Brand:      Winchester Repeating Arms
Model:      1873 Trapper Grade I Limited
Series

Search this Number 534250137 select
Gallery of Guns
result


That's the one I was lookin at. The local
sportsmans warehouse has it on sale right
now for $1350...hard to hold back but the
wife wants me to sell a gun first lol.
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Sell the wife first -gun is selling out fast, pawn her
wedding bands and fine china


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I sold nearly every firearm and classic guitars I owned to keep my last wife "funded". I lost EVERYTHING I HAD!
So I got rid of the wife (she's completely nuts!) and I've been getting a few guns here and there, and a couple guitars. Nowhere near what it was I had, but I don't want a bunch anyway.

Now as to the scope.... I got a 60X spotting scope duct taped to my single action with a sitcky dot stuck in the middle of the front glass. Can't see much of the target, but at 10 feet I might hit the burm behind the target.
As to the Ruger, well they make fair trotline weights.
Been thinking about mounting a crossbow to the pistol but I'd likely shoot low left with that too!

Going to be shooting the M92 a spell I think. I suck with a handgun right now.

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"Needs to buy a Ruger..."??? Rem, you should never joke about that!

Wade, have you tried loading some fired cases mixed in the cylinder to see if you've developed a flinch?
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The day I buy another Ruger is the day I check myself into the psychiatric ward at the VA as surely I will have lost all common sense.

I suspect that as a result of two minor strokes creating a form of slight tremors, combined with a yet undiscovered incorrect grip is the cause of my redundancy in continuous low left shooting. I have a well disciplined trigger finger, and my squeeze is nearly textbook. However, there is something in my grip that has eluded my study that frustrates me to no end. I am long on patience and yet I have come close to litterly throwing my pistol at the target and storming off.

Too little finger on the trigger.
Tightening of the grip.
Failure to isolate the trigger finger.
Jerking the trigger.

I have studied all and yet to discover the flaw. I was once top gun in a 1,350 sworn officer department for many years. Today, I couldn't his a bull in the ass with a B52 airstrike! Conventional two hand PD style combat shooting puts everything left and most often low. My Steve McQueen Method of grasping the strong wrist has, for the most part, proven to be the greatest improvement in my shooting. But it cannot be the solution as yesterday, with very deliberate action, I fired strong hand only at 15 ft and shot 4"~5" left!

I need to walk away from it for a while or I will become so discouraged that I will sell all my handguns out of semi-controled rage. It takes quite a bit to piss me off, but when I have reached that point I will eliminate the source of my anger. In this case, my handguns.

A sidenote: I still shoot my 100% stock 1911A1 .45ACP with pinpoint accuracy with one or two hands. Makes no difference. I can hit well with the old slabside 45! Go figure?

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My new baby...



She was on sale for $395 and with no sales tax in montana I couldn't pass her up... She's the Cimarron Frontier, Old Model, Pietta make.. great action for an un-tuned pistol. Hoping to get her to the range Friday... which gives me just enough time to put together some less hot loads than what I shoot in the SP101.. which will be transitioning to the more moderate loads as well once I burn off all the hot ones (not going to risk confusing ammo)

Also picked up some 105gr Meiser bullets... should make for a good (i.e. less destructive) varmint/rabbit load. Always love playing with a new bullet.

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357 I take it ?
Ya did well- she is a beauty-- I think you will enjoy
it.....
Great price -good gun.....
Welcome to wonderful world of SA -- be damned careful
-- they are addictive if they get into your
blood...... And then it's like Lays potatoes chips ---
one is never enough.....

But then I am sure we warned ya before hand .....I
think we did..... ok maybe we are closing the barn
door a little late?


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Old Ranger
or
"Old Man Who Shoots Poorly"
(i ain't about to test that theory)

How's the shooting today? Still a rifleman? Hope ya
get back to being a pistolero right quick.

I lost it in my right eye today and just getting
vision back in it.
Didn't realize how much I used it. Even still being
partially cloudy it's working enough with my left eye
to make things ok........
I need to go out and put some cast bullets out of that
CZ-82 and hope I keep both eyes despite dire warnings
about cast bullets and poly barrels. Today or wait
till I can see tomorrow ?
Old sweaty Ben has suckered me for 2 guns and this one
looks nice - the first one was beyond
compare...Absolutely perfect....(FINN 39 to match my
27)
BUT that many people can not be wrong ...luck of the
draw if ya believe in luck.....


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Just looked up that 105 gr Meiser Bullet

If I can mention this
It looks a lot like the old Lyman Bullet Mold #356402
9mm 120 gr.
We used that in 38 cal and some of the 9mm calibers
here ---it goes by the well earned name here of
"the ricochet special"
Ya might want to pay attention to that as yours may or
may not have the same "delightful" tendency......


I am a little funny about things like that.... I want
things I shoot to continue in the same general
direction I aimed at and prefer they don't return
fire



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Just looked up that 105 gr Meiser Bullet

If I can mention this
It looks a lot like the old Lyman Bullet Mold #356402
9mm 120 gr.
We used that in 38 cal and 9mm here ---it goes by the
name here of "the ricochet special"
Ya might want to pay attention to that as yours may or
may not have the same "delightful" tendency......


Now that's interesting... I'll definitely keep an ear out for the tell tale zing... might even take some angles shots at the steel targets just to see if i can make it happen..

as for the gun herself I can definitely see that they would be addictive... as soon as i got her home i handed her to the wife hoping we could trade in her sp101 for another... maybe a taylor tuned short stroke smokewagon (sigh) ... but she said the grips were too big and the gun was too heavy (harumph)...

So I know these are not intended for any kind of +p load... but has there been a definitive max CUP defined for these guns? not planning to push the envelope with her... having definitive numbers just gives me a warm fuzzy when reloading.
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My wife now owns my 44-40 that looks like yours
.......she let me use it to test more rounds for
her........
She also owns my S&W 632 --327 Fed Mag

We are currently in negotiations over this CZ- 82.
Be damned careful of what you put in your wife's
hands...

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The Pietta Frontier model in 357Mag is a strong piece. 35k psi is not an issue. Their actions are well assembled and quite smooth straight out of the box. My engraved 45 was tuned at the factory, and I could not have done any better myself. They build a fine pistol.

A 105gr bullet will print low. A 140gr up to 160gr will be more suitable for a fixed sight SAA. With the demand for SAA revolvers by the cowboy wannabe crowd, some are being sighted in for 125gr at 10yds for they're playtime. You're just gonna have to shoot and find the right balance between accuracy and punch.

Of course I am suspending my use of the pistol, at least until after the first of the year. Me and my 357Mag levergun are gonna be really really tight for the next few months. Might be my last hunt, so I wanna do it right, AND with style

Edit: One thing that you must do if you care about your pistol. When you get back from the range and cleaning it, remember to tighten the screws! SAA's are held together by 11 visible screws. They will get loose! Trust me. The ejection rod housing's screw can get so loose the whole assembly has been known to suddenly fly off into the void. Basepin retaining screw & nut have backed apart and flown off leaving the cylinder in jeopardy of falling out from a loose basepin falling as well.
Get correct fitting drivers and.....

TIGHTEN THOSE SCREWS!

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Old Ranger wrote:
The Pietta Frontier model
in 357Mag is a strong piece. 35k psi is not
an issue. Their actions are well assembled
and quite smooth straight out of the box. My
engraved 45 was tuned at the factory, and I
could not have done any better myself. They
build a fine pistol.

A 105gr bullet will print low. A 140gr up to
160gr will be more suitable for a fixed sight
SAA. With the demand for SAA revolvers by the
cowboy wannabe crowd, some are being sighted
in for 125gr at 10yds for they're playtime.
You're just gonna have to shoot and find the
right balance between accuracy and punch.

Of course I am suspending my use of the
pistol, at least until after the first of the
year. Me and my 357Mag levergun are gonna be
really really tight for the next few months.
Might be my last hunt, so I wanna do it
right, AND with style

Edit: One thing that you must do if you care
about your pistol. When you get back from the
range and cleaning it, remember to tighten
the screws! SAA's are held together by 11
visible screws. They will get loose! Trust
me. The ejection rod housing's screw can get
so loose the whole assembly has been known to
suddenly fly off into the void. Basepin
retaining screw & nut have backed apart and
flown off leaving the cylinder in jeopardy of
falling out from a loose basepin falling as
well.
Get correct fitting drivers and.....

TIGHTEN THOSE SCREWS!


Awesome.. good to know she is that solid...
once again, don't plan to push it but nice to
have confidence nothing g crazy is going to
happen...

And thanks for the screws tip... what about
putting clear nail polish on them as a week
locktight?
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