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Posted: August 11 2017 at 12:39pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Took the 6.5 Swedish carbine out today. Loaded 140 grain Hornady SST bullets over 43 grains IMR 4350. Chrony calls it 2430 fps. Sighted them in 2" above POA.
Sent two rounds down that were proper for high and were 1/2 apart side to side.
A friend gave me a box+ 6 factory Norma 156 grain round nose so I put two of them down range. They landed in the same side to side pattern at the 140s but were 3 1/2" above POA.
All this sounds like a great 200 yard or so rifle but the last deer I took with this rifle was a 50 yard head shot only. Hope I remember to calculate.
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Posted: August 11 2017 at 1:39pm | IP Logged Quote M700

You were shooting at 100 yards?

I like what you wrote about that 140 grain load. Modest velocity, good accuracy and striking only 2" above your point of aim...

That just seems ideal!

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Posted: August 11 2017 at 3:02pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Guy, I just ran over the hill to what used to be the local dump just to check the scope. One of these days I'll slip out to the farm, I need to see what 200 and 250 look like when you shoot it instead of reading the book drop charts. This country is wide open but I don't take long shots, 230 yds has been my longest so far and that with the '06. Most shots are much closer. I'm not a horn hunter, my wife is a good cook but still can't make horns taste right.
The book says that my 140 grain loads will be right on at 200 is sighted in 3" high at 100. I want to see first hand, I can always elevate if I need to.
As John Wayne said "windage and elevation".
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Posted: August 11 2017 at 4:29pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Sounds good to me! I'm holding tags for one doe, and one buck this year, and I sure hope to put 'em both in the freezer!

Hopefully my son will fill his buck tag as well. Three mule deer in the freezer would do quite nicely!

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Posted: August 17 2017 at 4:23pm | IP Logged Quote hoghunter

I have my 308 sighted at 2" high at 100yards for 150 grain
bullets, 2,700 f/s. Hold dead on out to 200 yards. If I
hold on top of the back at 300 yards in put them in the
vital.

However, I've been hunting deer for over 40 years and shot
quite a few, but longest shot was 185 yards. Just don't get
a lot of long distance shots where I hunt (eastern PA wood
lands).

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Posted: August 20 2017 at 12:05pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Hey! I'm glad you posted this thread...
Thanks to my darlin' granddaughter and my newly acquired grandson, they're taking old gramps out to the deer pasture this year! Bless their little hearts.
Guess I'd better get busy with the .243Win and those old school iron sights huh? Better load a few too.

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Posted: August 20 2017 at 12:48pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

Well, I guess I won't be hunting deer again this year. between trashed
knees and not drawing a tag guess that's it until December when I go
to New Mexico to do a landowner tag elk hunt. I can't even get to the
range as it's a mud hole from the last batch of rain we got and looks
like more on the way next week. Trashed my right knee 15 years ago
on a deer hunt and my left about three weeks ago. Surgery has been
accomplished and now it's PT for about a month or so. Funny thing is
it hurts a lot more since the PT. I was going to use a 7x57 for the elk
hunt but can't get to the range to chrony and accuracy test the loads.
Guess it'll be the 30-06 or .35 Whelen again. I have the loads worked
up for them and they've stayed dead on ever since. Get to Raton a
couple days early and go to the NRA's Whittington Center and check
my sights. Might even throw in a .270 to back up the back up. Now if
these damned knees would hurry up and heal so I can be decently
mobile again.
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Our muzzle loader season is just around the corner. I was out on my tract of public land the other day fighting bugs and brush to check on a couple of stand locations and there stand two huge racked bucks munching soybeans on exactly the same spot I killed a real good one about eight years ago. Haven't seriously muzzle loader hunted in a while, I think this will be a good year if it cools down some.

Need to dust off the smoke pole soon.

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Posted: August 20 2017 at 4:43pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Paul, my grandkids said if I can't walk to the deer pasture they're going to drive me or haul me there in a wheelbarrow. Either way I'm going. Least I can do to show my gratitude is kill a buck with my old Western Field beauty right? Or maybe my M92 .357Mag. shucks, two iron sighted guns to choose from now... Oh what to do?

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Posted: August 20 2017 at 6:08pm | IP Logged Quote STCM(SW)

Me and the kid I go hunting with sighted in the Salvage & Remington 700 CDL 25-06 and the Remington 700 300 ultra magnum today.
Trying to talk him into hunting deer with one of the 25-06 , not that 340 WBY magnum.
The 300 RUM is for bear this year, just as much power and better flat shooting then my WBY 340.

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Posted: August 21 2017 at 6:38am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

I have small and slightly larger deer here (maybe 2
different sub-species?) Heavily wooded with a lot of
oaks.
Like Old Rangers says th 243 is a very popular caliber
here for deer but I rather using just a little bigger
bullet (enough folks have comment about "Hits" and
deer walking/running off- that I am beginning to
believe some of them actually may be telling the
truth)
I think the -06 I have been using is a bit of over
kill unless loaded down (turned lungs in last one I
shot into goo that poured out)
I am not taking any really long shots......

Maybe the 30-30 pump with 125 gr FPs?
Or that new 357/ M-77 bolt gun? 125 gr or 158gr and I
have had enough experience with xtp bullets that I
don't trust their expansion tales...at any speed,
caliber or wt...
41 Mag or spl would be my last choice or the 32 Win
Spl......

Decisions- decisions- life is rough.......

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Posted: August 21 2017 at 6:58am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

We have big deer here, and while I tend to shoot close, I really think a lot of the arguments about this cartridge or that is adequate or good for deer is BS. Use something you shoot well that can make a wound channel through one and you're good to go.

I lurk on a bow hunters sight here. A lot of good, knowledgeable guys on a lot of subjects, but man do they piss and moan about rifle hunters. A few years ago, Kansas legalized .22 centerfires for deer hunting, which I was mildly opposed to as well, but to hear those guys tell it, every deer in Kansas was going to be wounded and wander off to die a lingering death. I hunt almost exclusively public land and spend a lot of time on it and three years into this, I haven't seen a wounded deer problem or any less deer either.

I believe a disproportionate number of deer taken each year are taken by a disproportionately small number of hunters. Guys who take it seriously and know what they are doing are going to take deer cleanly with whatever equipment is allowed, guys who don't take it seriously will go out, screw around, not see a deer and then go home and watch TV.

Bottom line, use what you shoot well, learn how to hunt and place your shots well, then enjoy the venison.

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Posted: August 21 2017 at 12:52pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

Old Ranger wrote:
Paul, my grandkids said if I can't walk to the
deer pasture they're going to drive me or haul me there in a
wheelbarrow. Either way I'm going. Least I can do to show my
gratitude is kill a buck with my old Western Field beauty right? Or
maybe my M92 .357Mag. shucks, two iron sighted guns to choose
from now... Oh what to do?


I hear you. My hunt is a cull hunt for a cow on a ranch in New Mexico
so not really strenuous. Mostly ride around in a nice warm (?) pick up
truck till you see game, step out and shoot.
Not my favorite way to do things but when I blew my right knee 15
years ago hunting became a little different. It's just about been a month
ago that I blew out my left knee and since the surgery it's been fun,
NOT! The right knee having to take up strain for the left is protesting
mightily so that's the picture as it sits right now. Biggest problem has
been trying to figure out how to limp on both legs.
A nice fat juicy cow elk will keep the missus and me in meat for most of
the year.
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Posted: August 22 2017 at 4:43pm | IP Logged Quote M700

richhodg66 wrote:
We have big deer here, and while I tend to shoot close, I really think a lot of the arguments about this cartridge or that is adequate or good for deer is BS. Use something you shoot well that can make a wound channel through one and you're good to go.

Bottom line, use what you shoot well, learn how to hunt and place your shots well, then enjoy the venison.


Sorry, kinda got rid of some of your post and just quoted the stuff that I liked the most.   

YUP. All these arguments about this cartridge and that cartridge... Just shoot 'em where it counts, with a good bullet, and notch your tag. You've got venison.

Had a fellow telling me about how fast his super-duper magnum dropped deer, and he about blew his stack when I said my son's little 6mm dropped 'em just as fast....

He started fuming about how his rifle made twice the energy, threw a much heavier bullet, etc...

I just asked him how the heck ANY cartridge could beat INSTANT death...

I sorta let that sink in... Ya, son steadies the crosshairs on the chest, squeezed the trigger. The little 95 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip hits the deer, and they drop dead as a doornail right there. He's been doing that with that rifle since he was 12, and he's in his mid 20's now. I used that rifle before him.

No matter how many grains of bullet you're throwing, or how many foot pounds of energy your rifle churns up... Ya can't beat INSTANT.

He asked me about tracking. If the little 6mm gave enough of an exit wound to produce a good blood trail. He didn't like it when I told him that every deer that rifle had been fired at dropped right there. Never had to track anything. That's in over 40 years of use, since I got it as a young man!

Buy and use the cartridge & rifle you like. If you place the shot well, it will work.

Regards, Guy
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Posted: August 23 2017 at 12:00pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Rich made an excellent point and Guy beat me to it on echoing it. Shoot what you're good with.

I just came in from my range. 107F heat index, but I needed to prove to myself, that I'm ready.

.243Win boltgun. Standing from 50yds back to 160yds [extent of usable area in dense woods]. Good hits on iron plate out to 75yds. Intermittent hits past 100. 160yds 1 hit out of 4 standing. 3 out of 4 Sitting. Sights are Marbles Flat-top rear and ramped gold bead front.

Next up M92 357Mag levergun. Pummeled the plate well past 100yds. Up a notch on the rear sight at 160yds standing 6 out of 8. Sitting was 8 out of 8. Sights are stock Rossi full buckhorns rear and strait post/gold bead front.

Less than 80 rounds trigger time with the 243Win.
Over 2,500 rounds with the.357Mag carbine.
Hummmmmmm, what do y'all think? I hear ya. Leave the 243Win at home.

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Posted: August 23 2017 at 5:44pm | IP Logged Quote hoghunter

I've never hunted out west but my ex boss was born,
raised and hunted in Wyoming. He also hunted in Uath,
Colorado and New Mexico. He took a number of Analope,
Mule Deer and a few Elk.

His rifle: A 270 Winchester with factory ammo. He is an
exceptional shot and hunter. He practices to similate
actual hunting field conditions.

It isn't so much the cartridge, it's the person behind
the rifle in my humble opinion. There is just too much
hype about cartridges. Give me a 308 or 270 or 30 06 for
99% of North American Big Game

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Posted: August 23 2017 at 6:01pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

hoghunter

I agree with the hunter and shot place being the most
important things

on a side note

If ya don't mind me asking --what are ya using on hogs?



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Posted: August 23 2017 at 6:11pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Old Ranger
Sounds like the 1/3 of an inch hole (@357) is gonna work
better for ya than the 1/4 inch hole (@243) this year.
When I used to work the ambulances and we lost one some
one would invariable say
"I hope they didn't die of anything serious?"
And I would think dead is a serious as it gets.....
That venison killed with that 357 is gonna taste as good
as the venison killed with a 243.... and a hell of a lot
better than venison missed with a 243.

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Joe, I've got a lot of trigger time with this levergun. Until the.243Win arrived, the M92 was the only centerfire long gun with iron sights here. A 20" octagon barrel, with case hardened frame, curved buttplate, and nosecap. I know this piece inside and out. It's a definite shooter! I'll be ready for culling the old and odd bucks.

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Posted: August 24 2017 at 12:12pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Best of luck afield, for all of us!    

I'll likely do my deer hunting this year with my trusted 25-06 Rem 700 CDL, with the 6x Leupold.

Sighted in at 200 yards. Hits at 300 - 400 yards have never been a problem with that light-kicking rifle. I'll continue to use the 115 gr "Blue Cyclone" Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets at 3120 fps. They work real well.





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