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Posted: August 13 2017 at 6:56pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Ok I have spent a little time with my new reintroduced
M-77/357
What I Like
Light (very Light) handy rifle in a pistol caliber-
matches some of my revolvers.
Comes with sights installed.*
Appears very accurate - comes with proprietary scope
rings. Really smacks the targets and take full
advantage of the 357 round....
6 round capacity. Positive, easy function 3 position
safety....
I like this gun.

What I don't like
Problem with extraction right out of the box- I had
to do some stone work and file work to get it to
function. Not acceptable for NEW a rifle at this
price.

Looking at the bolt face and chamber was like looking
at a mid war production Nagant...Very rough and un-
polished

It does have more recoil than I expected?
*The installed sights are hard as hell to see and as
minimal as I have seen on a rifle.....

Other notes.
Wad cutters need to be guided by hand- that is
something I pretty much expected and it's ok.
Really screams for a quick detach (can't believe I am
going to say this) 'NYLON' sling... Yes... Nylon.
Wish it had a wood stock like several other M-77s
But I knew this didn't going into it.
5th round into rotary mag a little tricky-- maybe
after using it for awhile ???
Trigger is rough - pretty much expected that...
Not sure I will ever need or install a scope on this.

Still need more time with it.

Dream wish
A 357 Maxi so I could use 38 SPL, 357 MAG and 357
MAXI

Edited by REM1875 on August 13 2017 at 6:58pm


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Posted: August 13 2017 at 7:11pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

How hard would it be to ream it to take .357 Maximum? Guys do it all the time with .357 Handi Rifles it seems. Would the action length handle it?

Not sure I'd ever get one, but the whole concept of a bolt action .357 is intriguing.

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Posted: August 13 2017 at 9:07pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

I need to check the OAL of the 357Maxi and measure the
magazine- course just boring it an loading the first
round as a Maxi if the magazine wont work ??? Maxi
followed by five 357s would I guess be ok too?

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Nothing wrong with a bolt action single shot. As I understand it, the .357 gives quite a bit more velocity in a rifle barrel with most loads, though, so the Maximum change may be unnecessary unless you just want to.

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Posted: August 14 2017 at 7:02am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Now I'm just thinking out loud here, but if that chambering were possible to build for the profit wouldn't Ruger have already done so? They build/scrap weapons like mad to get the almighty dollar. If it costs too much to build they ain't gonna do it. So there's a reason why that model stopped at the.357Mag length perhaps? Like I said, just thinking out loud.

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Posted: August 14 2017 at 10:29am | IP Logged Quote mikld

Not a 357 Mag. rifleman here, (and I been thinkin' hard about
getting one lately) but I've read in several areas
where handloading a .357 Magnum for rifle use can approach
35 Remington stats/performance. I too would think Ruger has
tried a Maximum chambering, but for some reason chose not to
produce one. Magazine, action needs to be reworked? Not
enough demand?

Edited by mikld on August 14 2017 at 10:31am


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Posted: August 14 2017 at 12:53pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

After the great top strap flame cutting Ruger/Dan
Wesson Fiasco- the 357 Maxi has been strictly a
Thompson Contender custom deal (and re-bored NEF
single shots) and I think they are hoping that the
round would fade away....... ( despite the historic
fact few ever do).... so I doubt they gave a M-77/357
Maxi even a passing thought........
My Dan Wesson has 2 flame cut areas (I moved the
barrel) and I suspect in a 100,000 rd or so I might
have to do something about it........By then I suspect
I might be using the second barrel they gave me......
(I'll probably be able to wait even longer if I use
flake or stick type powders rather than ball)

The power of the press can be seen in the gun world
too...

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Posted: August 14 2017 at 1:21pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

My mistake posted wrong area

Edited by REM1875 on August 14 2017 at 9:30pm


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The 357 Maximum case is 1.605" in length and is too long to fit into the Ruger 77/44 and 77/357 rotary magazines. The .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum cases are almost identical lengths at apprx. 1.290" and 1.285".

The Ruger 77 series is available in .357 and .44 Magnums. Ruger likely uses the same receiver and rotary magazines. Only the barrel needs to be different, and possibly some of the internals.

The .357 Maximum isn't loaded by any of the big ammo makers and is practically a handloaders affair. It isn't nearly as popular as the magnums.

To make the .357 Max work in the 77 series, the receiver would have to be stretched to accommodate the approx. .3" extra cartridge length.

As far as making the .357 Magnum into a .357 Maximum, the Magnum operates at around 35,000 psi., whereas the Maximum plays its sweet music at 48,000 psi.
The Maximum is not just an extended Magnum case. They are different.
The Magnum case would likely not stand the higher pressures.

Sad that the Max isn't produced by the big boys. It's an excellent cartridge and really delivers.


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Posted: August 16 2017 at 7:53am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Sounds like that cartridge is bad medicine. Perhaps best to let it die off then.

A bolt action .357Mag holds no interest personally, however, you'll not hear me say things against your choice. My mother didn't raise me that way, and I'm truly glad you have a new shooter to play with.

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Old Ranger wrote:
Sounds like that cartridge is bad
medicine. Perhaps best to let it die off then.

A bolt action .357Mag holds no interest personally,
however, you'll not hear me say things against your
choice. My mother didn't raise me that way, and I'm
truly glad you have a new shooter to play with.


She's Bad Medicine all right. The 357 Maxi is one hell
of a round
Bit of a 'Hoss pistol' to carry (ya need a horse to
carry it)
I like having rifle- pistol /revolver combinations and
while one of the tons of lever actions could do, a
bolt allows more tinkering around room for the stuff I
do... (on the other hand would have loved the Israeli
made Timberwolf pumps but them are long gone)

And I see what ya did there Wade - tact ain't exactly
your strong suite LoL
    

Edited by REM1875 on August 16 2017 at 9:59am


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Posted: August 16 2017 at 10:40am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Joe, I'm real tacky, um, tactful!
No, seriously, I have seen where folks post about something that they like and wanna share with the rest of the gang. Invariably, within the first few replies, they are not about the subject item, but rather what the guy replying uses. Its just a thing that some folks do that ticks me off. I've caught myself now and then and you should hear my old drill sgt dressing dowm I give myself!

So no, in reality I am glad you got a new shooter that you can experiment with and enjoy! It's a departure from the usual M92 and Marlin .357Mag levergun. Course now, if you go and stick a scope in it I'll likely call ya a sissy!

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Posted: August 16 2017 at 11:40am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

I know Wade
And I know you were just jerking my chain and you do
really hope I enjoy it.

Fits a niche here at my home (for several
reasons).....
And as bad as the sights are my first though is
replacing those when I can and I won't be using those
proprietary scope rings anytime soon..

Course for any who have a vision problems, I can not
see a thing wrong with a light handy short rifle, that
handles 38 Spl, with a scope- and probably will be
clinging to one if I manage to get old(er).......
And then you can call me sissy, Wade, cause I won't be
able to do much about it LoL


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How tough would it be to screw a suppressor on this little .357 bolt action rifle?

Just thinking that a sub-sonic load, with a suppressor... Could be very interesting!

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Posted: August 16 2017 at 7:33pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Great info on the M77/357...

My oldest boy is almost 5 and looking ahead, waiting for that moment when he is ready for his first gun it is one that I've given consideration... could load it down to weak 38 loads for getting started, and eventually ramp it up to hot 357 for deer hunting. Stinks to hear that the sites aren't great and there were issues out of the box. keep us posted on how she breaks in.
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Posted: August 17 2017 at 8:28am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Joe, is the rear sight a dovetail base or some Ruger oddball contraption? I ask because of the wonderful sights made by Marbles.
On the .243Win I got recently, I first replaced the destroyed original rear sight with a Marbles short Flat-top rear sight. Then I found a replacement for the original but I went back to the Marbles for better adjustments and easier sighting.

Or you can install that scope you wanna use.

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I"ll take a look at that Wade I see Ruger Make a fiber
optic for the front too. Thanks


Atavist as a reloader you have all sort of options with
this rifle and I will keep ya posted.

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Have you tried to see if this rifle will feed full wadcutter loads? Seems to me a rifle shooting mid range wadcutter loads would make an awesome small game rifle.

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Sorry, I know I'm coming late to the game, but "reintroduced" - does this mean that Ruger is making them again? I was under the impression they had discontinued the 77/357 and 77/44. If they are making them again, I think I would like one.

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richhodg66 wrote:
Have you tried to see
if this rifle will feed full wadcutter
loads? Seems to me a rifle shooting mid
range wadcutter loads would make an
awesome small game rifle.


Unfortunately it was noted that wad
cutters must be handloaded... this is what
I've seen with all of the pistol caliber
rifles.. had a 44mag marlin lever gun and
could only cycle rfn bullets well... since
I load mostly swc it was a deal breaker
and that gun is no more...
Only exception I've found is the japanese
made winchester lever guns which use a
controlled feed cartridge elevator (not a
ramp) ... boy are they slick... and no
wonder. The factory they are made in is
the same that makes the Browning BLR...
glass like action.

Edit: ends up its just the henry model 60
,and winchester 66, 73 and 76 that have
the elevator... not sure if anyone other
than winchester makes them now

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