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Posted: August 21 2017 at 2:52pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Been thinking about selling this old girl for a while but always worried I'll get ripped off... This place is a wealth of knowledge and experience so hoping someone here might be able to at least get me in the ballpark...

This gun came back from Korea with my step-grandfather (grandmother's second husband.. we weren't close so no sentimental value here). She's shoots just fine. I also have her original holster.

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Value? I can't help you there as I'm still living in the 70's.

As far as the pistol, I'd keep it. You can build anything on the frame you want and it's probably made better than anything you buy new today. That's just my opinion. I used to have a Remington Rand 1911A1 and wish I had it back.
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Posted: August 21 2017 at 3:52pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

I am not qualified to offer an estimate, but the following link is a good place to start: http://www.nramuseum.com/gun-info-research/what%27s-my-gun-w orth.aspx

Unfortunately, this link also does not provide a number, but rather, other resources. About the best advice offered on that page is to get a good handle on the condition of your pistol and then search for others of the same era and condition, which are for sale. You should be able to call Remington to get a date of manufacture from the serial number.

That will give you an estimate. It's a bit of a bother.

I can tell you this from first hand observation - if you sell to a store, or use as partial trade for a new gun - you will only be offered about 50% of the sale value. I'm sure that isn't really a surprise, but it is good to remember.

Sorry not of more service.

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Posted: August 21 2017 at 5:06pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

RT58. Personally I've never been one to
collect things... but I also hate to see
old tools (guns included) bastardized and
or modified in a way that affects their
originality... depending what I can get
for her I may be able to sell the wife on
letting me get one of the new miroku
winchester 73s with case hardened
receiver... boy are they pretty... and
fun..

Kinkeywater... have dug and dug online...
info I found says she's 1944 production
around 138,000 produced... I hate crowds
but I need to suck it up and go to a gun
show and find that guy that has a table
full of old 1911s... and of course say
that I'm not selling her. Just curious
about value.

EDIT:... swear i typed Kinleywater up there... what does that say about my auto correct...

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Posted: August 21 2017 at 6:33pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Well with 138k made, you may not be a collector, but a collector might be who you need to find.

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Some have sold on GB for around $2,000.
Over that price have not sold.
Just to give you an idea.
Me? No chance. Looks like one I had to carry on active duty
in the 1960's...   
If it was me, put it up on Gun Broker, 14 day auction starting at $.01. Be sure of good pictures noting U.S. Property, USN and any other markings on it.

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STCM(SW) wrote:
Some have sold on GB for around $2,000.
Over that price have not sold.
Just to give you an idea.
Me? No chance. Looks like one I had to carry on active duty
in the 1960's...   
If it was me, put it up on Gun Broker, 14 day auction starting at $.01. Be sure of good pictures noting U.S. Property, USN and any other markings on it.


man... that would take some balls... sorta tempting in a way... but what if it goes for chips...
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Atavist wrote:
STCM(SW) wrote:
Some have sold on GB for around $2,000.
Over that price have not sold.
Just to give you an idea.
Me? No chance. Looks like one I had to carry on active duty
in the 1960's...   
If it was me, put it up on Gun Broker, 14 day auction starting at $.01. Be sure of good pictures noting U.S. Property, USN and any other markings on it.


man... that would take some balls... sorta tempting in a way... but what if it goes for chips...


Not really, brings in more guys who think they can make a killing. The longer it's up with no reserve the more people who look at it and bid.
Good pictures, good story on how you got it makes people bid. Any paper work on how it was obtained also helps.

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STCM(SW) wrote:
Atavist wrote:
STCM(SW) wrote:
Some have sold on GB for around $2,000.
Over that price have not sold.
Just to give you an idea.
Me? No chance. Looks like one I had to carry on active duty
in the 1960's...   
If it was me, put it up on Gun Broker, 14 day auction starting at $.01. Be sure of good pictures noting U.S. Property, USN and any other markings on it.


man... that would take some balls... sorta tempting in a way... but what if it goes for chips...


Not really, brings in more guys who think they can make a killing. The longer it's up with no reserve the more people who look at it and bid.
Good pictures, good story on how you got it makes people bid. Any paper work on how it was obtained also helps.


with a good reserver right??
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Posted: August 21 2017 at 9:42pm | IP Logged Quote STCM(SW)

"with a good reserver right?? "

NO! no reserve.....
If it's worth what I think it is you will get what it is worth.
Some went for under $1,000.
I'm talking what guns have sold for, not what some guy is asking.
Different ball game.....

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Atavist wrote:
RT58. Personally I've never been one to
collect things... but I also hate to see
old tools (guns included) bastardized and
or modified in a way that affects their
originality... depending what I can get
for her I may be able to sell the wife on
letting me get one of the new miroku
winchester 73s with case hardened
receiver... boy are they pretty... and
fun..


I don't collect things either, but I do know a good quality firearm from a piece of junk. The old saying "They don't make them like they used to" really fits with modern firearms production.

My RR only had one modification to it, an ambidextrous safety because I shoot handguns left handed. I never said anything about "bastardizing" your pistol. I have a Norinco 1911 that I used to build into a .41AE, 10mm and .400 Cor-Bon. In a couple of minutes it can be returned to it's original condition. Firearms aren't tools and they certainly weren't made to hang on a wall.
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STCM(SW) wrote:
"with a good reserver
right?? "

NO! no reserve.....
If it's worth what I think it is you will
get what it is worth.
Some went for under $1,000.
I'm talking what guns have sold for, not
what some guy is asking.
Different ball game.....


Hmm.. I'm going to have to let that one
percolate for a while... had never
considered an auction... need to decide
what my bottom dollar is and if it's worth
the risk
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Posted: August 22 2017 at 6:48am | IP Logged Quote Atavist

RT58 wrote:
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RT58.
Personally I've never been one to
collect things... but I also hate to see
old tools (guns included) bastardized and
or modified in a way that affects their
originality... depending what I can get
for her I may be able to sell the wife on
letting me get one of the new miroku
winchester 73s with case hardened
receiver... boy are they pretty... and
fun..


I don't collect things either, but I do
know a good quality firearm from a piece
of junk. The old saying "They don't make
them like they used to" really fits with
modern firearms production.

My RR only had one modification to it, an
ambidextrous safety because I shoot
handguns left handed. I never said
anything about "bastardizing" your pistol.
I have a Norinco 1911 that I used to build
into a .41AE, 10mm and .400 Cor-Bon. In a
couple of minutes it can be returned to
it's original condition. Firearms aren't
tools and they certainly weren't made to
hang on a wall.


The bastardized part wasn't directed at
you RT... more thinking of the trend here
of turning still functional old farm
equipment into lawn art... excellent point
on how easy it is to reconfigure a 1911
for different uses or just back to
original...though I do consider anything a
man uses to enhance his natural abilities
a "tool". A knife is a tool, a gun is a
tool.. and they only belong on a wall if
they are no longer safe to shoot.

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I understand Atavist, I went through the "rustic look" phase with the wife.

And I had a tool vs. weapon talk with my Sgt. once too. After requalification I told everyone they needed to practice more often. Later the Sgt. told me that the other guys weren't "gun guys" like I was and they didn't feel the need to shoot any better than they could. He then said that he felt his pistol was just another tool of the trade, like his ink pen, and he only needed to be proficient enough to qualify. I told him his pistol is a weapon, not a tool. He uses his ink pen every day to write reports but the people he swore to protect depends on him to be able to use his weapon well enough to save their lives in an instant and under any conditions. But I did offer to let him use his pen the next time we had to requalify.
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Your gun was made in 1943, looks like from a second run. I could only
see the letters FJ but probably FJA. That's Lt. Col. F. J. Atwood the
office who inspected the firearm. Might be influential in keeping that
valuable piece of history
I strongly regret ever selling my WW2 Ithaca 1911A1. I cry over a
friend's three digit serial number 1911, first year manufacture that was
totally mint until he shot some WW1 ammo in it and did not properly
what is now a rust bucket.
If it were mine, I'd keep it and I say that in all seriousness.
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Posted: August 22 2017 at 4:02pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Paul. You are correct the
third letter is A... thanks for the
additional info.

Any ballparks on value?

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Keep the piece. Give it to the eldest son. Vikings often did the same with swords. You said you have no attachment to it, but that doesn't always apply to a son.....
Personal opinion is all.....

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Old Ranger wrote:
Keep the piece. Give it to the eldest son. Vikings often did the same with swords. You said you have no attachment to it, but that doesn't always apply to a son.....
Personal opinion is all.....


Yeah I've considered that... when i was a kid this gun was a big deal because it had war stories attached to it... as I get older my sentimentality fades... and fast... If it doesn't get used I tend not to keep it around. ... my thought is that i'd rather pass down guns I used rather than a gun that belonged to someone my kids never met and wasn't even a blood relative... though i guess the truth is what you believe and the story could change a little for their sake and they'd never know the difference.

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Unless you are in a position where you are in dire need of cash and have no other means to raise it - you would be making an enormous mistake by selling it. It is an article whose value will continue to climb as time passes.

You need to sit down and write a letter detailing when, where, and how you acquired it, along with anything you know about it before you came to own it. The fact that it came toy you from the person that brought it back is important - particularly in that it is and has all of its original parts and pieces (not a "mix-master"). When you pass it down to a child or yours, that is when sentiment will build. That letter of provenance you wrote will add a great deal of value long after you've left this earth.

Like I said, unless you really need cash bad and have no other alternative, selling would be a mistake. Aside from a couple of "junkers", I have had serious regrets years after selling guns that I really didn't need to, so please think this over carefully.

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Slick wrote:
Unless you are in a position where you are in dire need of cash and have no other means to raise it - you would be making an enormous mistake by selling it. It is an article whose value will continue to climb as time passes.

You need to sit down and write a letter detailing when, where, and how you acquired it, along with anything you know about it before you came to own it. The fact that it came toy you from the person that brought it back is important - particularly in that it is and has all of its original parts and pieces (not a "mix-master"). When you pass it down to a child or yours, that is when sentiment will build. That letter of provenance you wrote will add a great deal of value long after you've left this earth.

Like I said, unless you really need cash bad and have no other alternative, selling would be a mistake. Aside from a couple of "junkers", I have had serious regrets years after selling guns that I really didn't need to, so please think this over carefully.


Thanks for the input Slick... "don't sell it" seems to be the concensus... I don't really need the cash now... Wife just doesn't like me dropping cash on guns I don't "need" so was thinking it could be a single sale that could put me into several others I've been wanting... but yeah you all are probably right... I've also got an Iraqi Tariq that followed me home from the war... the two together, along with the machete my dad brought back from vietnam make for a pretty sentimental (if small) collection for wide eyed boys.
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