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Posted: September 29 2017 at 12:51pm | IP Logged Quote mikld

Cool, thanks!

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I gave up on Unique about 6 years ago when I tried Power Pistol and
Universal.    They meter much better and present very little clean up
after shooting.

I know the newer Unique is supposed to burn cleaner but never
noticed it.

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Posted: September 29 2017 at 5:12pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Just bought 2 more pounds of Universal today. I haven't been this cranked up about gunpowder since I got American Pioneer Powder, and that was like a great discovery for me. Now a great smokeless powder for pistols? Yeah!

And yes, despite the company's claims of a cleaner burning Unique...... Nope, don't see it.
Naturally, I've got 5# of Unique here! Oh well..

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Posted: September 30 2017 at 8:41am | IP Logged Quote RB in GA

Old Ranger wrote:

Naturally, I've got 5# of Unique here! Oh well..


Naturally

We all know how Unique is "good" in just about every caliber. Maybe not the best but good enough. Never quite hear of people hoarding W296 do ya? I personally prefer W231, oh well.

I see nothing wrong with pushing back 5 lbs or more of Unique. Yep, I've got my 5+ lbs pushed back too. Hmmmmm, maybe a "tad" more. Actually, while not as cost effective, the 1 lb bottles is really the good option.

Why?

Almost all reloaders know that Unique has a High Nitro count. And if you do your part, a shelf life of many decades if not longer. I personally date every reloading component I purchase with a sticker. I'm not one of those hard core preppers, but I do have my setup. In this regard I consider Unique as Legal Tinder. Just like the Stock Market, Interest Rates I monitor reloading prices online and in stores. A few years before King-O-Bama went in, Unique sale price dropped to below $14 a pound around here at one large independent outdoor sporting goods retailer. A little strange because only Alliant Powders really nose dived; the best deals were Bullseye and Unique? I loaded the truck with 1 pounders. You know the drill, fool me once (Slick Willy), fool me twice.

For the past 7+ years I have been liquidating these 1 pounders (oldest first, remember date everything) to friends that reload, happy to get them. Local retail like BASS PRO, Academy are still marking powder stuff $25 to $35 (circa 2017) a pound around here. And that's down from $35 to $50 a few years ago, if you could even put your hands on a pound. I undercut the Big Box boys 4 or 5 bucks and hand deliver at work or at the range.

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner.



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Posted: September 30 2017 at 1:59pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I just stuck my finger in my good ear, as certainly you were a class 1 dealer redistributing powder for sale?

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Posted: September 30 2017 at 7:20pm | IP Logged Quote John P.

Good deal on the Universal. I have way too much Unique and
HP38/W231 on hand to buy another powder. I've gotten hooked again
on skeet this past spring and summer, after a long layoff, so my
handguns and rifles have been put down for awhile. I did just resize
and prime a bunch of .45 Colt cases. All ready to charge with 9 grains
of Unique and top with a 250 gr. cast RNFP. I think I will get out with the
Ruger Bisley next weekend.
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Posted: October 01 2017 at 9:52pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Good info here... may have to try Universal and Unique both... right now I'm loading lilgun for my wheel guns and blue dot for my autos and happy with both but from the discussion i see some test loads and chrono'ing in my near future.
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Posted: October 03 2017 at 1:05pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yeah, today there's tons of different powder to choose from. When I started there was Hercules, DuPont, Alcan, and another but I forgot the name. And they had about a dozen to pick from. Not like today with each offering over 50 types each or more! Real confusing now. That's one of the reasons for my "consolidation loads" to cut down on too many powders. Suppose that's one of the reasons I'm so taken by Universal. Burns cleaner and uses less than Unique.

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Posted: December 08 2017 at 8:55pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Well look like I'm now a Universal man...
went down to Sportsmans for the first day of
the Christmas sale and they had the 8lb jug
of universal 40% off... couldn't help
myself... also picked up some 30-06 brass and
a micro screw driver set for 25% off and then
got my 5% military discount on top of all
that... now I know how a woman feels when she
finds shoes on sale lol.
Will start working up loads for my 9mm, 45,
357 tomorrow.... hoping I can replicate the
velocities I'm getting with bluedot in 9mm
and 45acp. And my light bullets in 357.
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Posted: December 09 2017 at 9:54am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

You might not duplicate Blue Dot velocity, but you're
gonna love how it meters and the light carbon residue it
leaves behind. In the two auto calibers you have, this
powder is great. Light bullets in a .357? Can't say as I
don't use light bullets in that one below 140gr, and most
often I load the Ideal 357446 162gr SWC like our
respected member Rex does. We kinda like that old bullet.

But your weapons will be easier to clean. Your ignition
will be remarkably consistent. Your groups should be
tight. And you'll use slightly more by volume but less by
weight than Unique with a slight edge in velocity and
reduction in cost. What's the phrase? "What's not to like
here?"

Just keep your loads in the upper 10% and avoid, repeat,
AVOID squib-like loads. It doesn't do well in the ultra
light load department. Lots of unburnt or partial burnt
powder residue. Other than that, load like you mean it.
Basically keep it close to Max or roughly 10% below that,
and you are golden.

Edit: Further research in this longish case with small
light bullets revealed a few having tendencies to
expirence detonation. Too much air with too little powder
and low resistance from too light of a bullet. That's a
recipe for disaster. I'd avoid little light bullets in
that case unless they're JHP with a substantial load of
case filling powder that is of course below max pressure.
Just saying be careful.

Edited by Old Ranger on December 09 2017 at 2:51pm


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Posted: December 09 2017 at 4:58pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

good info... you definitely know me... i was already thinking about seeing how it would throw my little 000 balls lol...

Just did the math... having gotten the 8lb jug for $130 bring the price per grain down to $0.002/grain... loading 6 grains in my 45acp thats just over $.01 per bullet for powder... now that's some CHEAP reloading... my blue dot load was running me almost $.05 per bullet in powder... looking at data I think i'm going to loose a good 200fps off the blue dot load but I can deal with that, especially for plinking, and reserve the blue dot for my defensive ammo cache.
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Posted: April 01 2018 at 8:50am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

An update on Universal powder.

Using moderate "Cowboy Loads" with a 250gr bullet and
7.8gr in a 45Colt I noted a tendency for this powder to
show a marked display of position sensitivity.

With the muzzle down prior to shooting the report was
merely a "pop" and recoil was almost nonexistent.
However, with the muzzle elevated prior to shooting the
report was that of a 45Colt's "bark" and recoil was then
present as normal. Point of impact reflects a change as
well.

I believe this lends credence to my thoughts of keeping
the case much fuller [if safe of course] to reduce this
effect. Smaller cases such as .38Spl apper less effected
and fire more consistent. I don't believe there's any
immediate danger, but if it indeed goes squib and a round
remains in the bore..... Well, we're all quite aware of
the disaster that follows. My current recommendation is
to carefully monitor large cases that allow a greater
airspace. .45ACP is fine as is 38Spl and such. It's the
older cases spawned from the age of BP that are cavernous
in nature that allow this shift.

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Posted: April 01 2018 at 7:33pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

Thanks for the info Ranger.


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Posted: April 02 2018 at 6:00am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

You know, it's funny really because I used this same
load in a different pistol a few months back and had
great results. Change over to this open top, And it gives
me a complete different reaction. Though I have to admit
this load is remarkably accurate in either pistol. Go
figure huh?

Handloading, the Adventure Continues.

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Those that say they don't go to school anymore don't hand load do they.
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Rex wrote:
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Posted: April 18 2018 at 12:05pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Fired 50 rounds of 45 colt with 7.8gr Universal and Lee
255gr cast RNFP yesterday. Just piddilin' 'n plinkin' at
cans. Was doing draw & fire. Raise up a little from the
hip 'n shoot. But no deliberate hold, sight, and shoot.
Never once did I raise the weapon and tap the stock to
"settle" the powder. All 50 were full barking 45's and
not a single round popped like a nano-squib wannabe.

This time I was using my hearing aids as plugs. Got a
mute button on the control around my neck. Hit mute and I
can shoot .357mags with no pain. But I can hear "bark"
from "pop" easily thought. But not this time. Was hip-
shooting and never raised the weapon once. Not sure
what's going on. But that 7.8gr Universal is boo-coo
accurate! Even for a guy like me that shoots a single
action like crap.

Maybe its the tapping settling the powder too much that
does this. And maybe just plain old pointing and shooting
doesn't make that big a difference. I'm confused now.


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Posted: April 18 2018 at 7:11pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

I'm confused too Wade. Not by the post.

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Posted: April 21 2018 at 6:39am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I believe I've figured it out. Bullet design and seating
depth. Yup, been thinking. Same load but not always the
same bullets. Been loading and shooting 4 different
bullets in the 250gr to 255gr weight with the same change
of Universal. They all have slightly different seating
depth to stay within the 1.6" OAL for the load. But
different bullets seat deeper and others don't.
Naturally, a deep set bullet creates less internal air
gap than a more shallow seated one. Stands to reason that
a smaller airspace would aid in preventing powder
shifting in the case, and vice-a-versa with shorter
bullets creating larger airspace.

Looking back in my notes, the position sensitivity was
greatest with short fat bullets. Longer ones with more
inside the case didn't produce this effect as I recall.
So I will test some more and see if this is a valid
theory and my hypothesis correct, or if I'm all wet and
need to go back to Unique.

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Posted: April 21 2018 at 8:54am | IP Logged Quote John P.

I have read about position sensitivity with Unique, but I don't know how
it compares to Universal. In my mid-range .44 Magnum and standard
.45 Colt loads, I mostly use Unique. I notice that I get better results
with heavier bullets that are seated deeper in the case with less air
space. I always believed it was due to position sensitivity.
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