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Posted: October 11 2017 at 5:31pm | IP Logged Quote M700

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Never even seen a poly pointed bullet before. Kinda funny looking. But I hope it shoots better in my carbine. ]


You've never seen a poly tipped bullet? They've been around since the mid 1980's with Nosler's Ballistic Tip, that's only about 30 years or so....

Now made by Barnes, Nosler, Hornady, Sierra, and probably someone I'm forgetting, they typically shoot really well. Also they tend to expand readily on contact with game.

I'm a huge fan of the Nosler Ballistic Tip, which has been toughened up considerably since the introduction back in the 1980's. I use them mostly in:

25-06, 115 gr
30-06, 165 gr

Last year the 30-06 with the 165 Ballistic Tip took elk, mule deer, black bear and antelope for me. All dropped quickly after the shot, 140 yards to 338 yards.

Deer season starts this coming Saturday, and I'll be carrying my 25-06 with the 115 gr Nosler Ballistic Tips. That combo has brought me quite a few mule deer as well as a couple of pronghorn antelope.

Ya, plastic tipped bullets are a very common thing anymore and tend to perform very well at the range or in the hunting field.

One caution - the AR-15 has been known to knock the tips off during the feeding cycle!

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Posted: October 11 2017 at 6:47pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well Guy, for the past few decades I've been shootin' cast rounds and the old standards like BTSP and such. Must be gettin' like my old uncle. Figured plastic pointed bullets are a passing phase, like smokeless powder.

Edit: Just re-read your comment on the plastic tip coming off with the AR15 loading cycle. Wouldn't ya know I'd pick something like that.

Edited by Old Ranger on October 12 2017 at 4:24am


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Posted: October 11 2017 at 7:01pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Rex, I would have bought a heavier bullet, but the 60gr was all he had above 55gr. I'm trying real hard to keep patient with this but my temper has grown shorter when I hit 70. I get rowdy pretty quick these days. But I'm trying. But if I can't resolve this soon, I'm gonna drive this stubby thing into the ground and use it as a gate post. I got my old 92 357 carbine. I'm great with it.

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Posted: October 12 2017 at 6:46am | IP Logged Quote M700

I wouldn't worry a lot about the tips coming off - unless it starts happening. It sure doesn't happen all the time!

We noticed it when one agency selected Hornady TAP ammo, which had a plastic tip. I haven't ever seen it with my own AR-16 & plastic tip bullets (Nosler Ballistic Tips). Just thought I'd mention it.

Would you consider mail-order for your bullet purchases? Grafs & Midway, as well as Nosler's "Shooters Pro Shop" usually have quite a few different, heavier .22 cal bullets available. I'd think your AR-15 would shoot very well with any of the various 68 or 69 gr match bullets, probably even the 75's.

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Posted: October 12 2017 at 8:28am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Guy, I order rounds all the time. However, since my old RCBS small base 223Rem dies were stolen long ago,I needed to replace them. A set oh Hornady American Series dies are out for delivery today. My mailman is a fellow shooter and loader. Always good to talk with.

The reason I bought local was to insure that I had rounds on hand to load.

Of interest. Yesterday, I bought two boxes of PPU 62gr FMJ factory loads. Just came in a while ago. WOW!! What a difference a 7gr increase makes! Went from a 4.5" spread with 55gr to a .23" spread with the 62gr bullet! I'd say that's conclusive evidence and proof that the 1:8 barrel on this weapon sucks with 55gr but shines with longer bullets such as the 62gr.

50 yds with 1.25x-4x-28mm scope and sandbags. The difference is obvious. Made one sight correction on the 55gr. Three with the 62gr since it's actions indicated confidence in zeroing. And yes, round #5 & #6 on the 62gr target are fighting for the same hole. Good enough for me.



Do believe since the evil 55gr nasties are gone, they will not be invited to play with my near fence post carbine.

We're all going to 62gr or so here at the stomping grounds of the Old Ranger!

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You are going the right direction with 62gr+ rounds. But I suspect your
experience with the 55's was a crap bullet problem. I shoot mostly 1-8 AR's
and they will stack quality 53 & 55 grainers one on top of the other. but for
absolute accuracy I still rely on 77 grainers.

FWIW, it is not cheap but the 70gr TSX is an absolute hammer out of my AR's.

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Posted: October 13 2017 at 11:50am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

3 different factory loads of 55gr FMJ and all stunk. Not to sound argumentative, but I believe that the weapon's barrel does not adapt well to lighter/shorter bullets.
The 62gr PPU factory loads are superb in this barrel. Two very basic loads (25gr RL15, 22gr IMR3031) with the Hornady 60gr VMax bullets were good. The 3031 load being the tighter of the two.

I am now, more than ever, convinced of the longer bullets in the fast twist bores, especially in the bore of my rifle in particular. This morning revealed that the rifle is, in fact, capable of extreme accuracy. Shot a 1.2", 3 shot group at 100yds off the sandbag with 22gr 3031 and the Hornady 60gr VMax. Can't wait to put one in a hog tomorrow night!

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Wade, from experience I can tell you the 69 gr bullets will probably
amaze you.   I could not get anything under 60 gr to shoot very well
either. Makes me wonder when someone says their AR with fast
twist shoots 50/55 gr bullets fine.

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Posted: October 13 2017 at 12:58pm | IP Logged Quote M700

NICE!

Yes, the fast twist and long bullets were made for each other. So cool to see a nice group from your new Evil Black Rifle!

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joed wrote:
Makes me wonder when someone says their AR with fast
twist shoots 50/55 gr bullets fine.


Joe, I think they're pulling your leg when they tell ya that! And when I can get bigger ones, I will.

Guy, those subliminal messages you sent me a while back sure did create a monster! Now I was deadly wicked with my old Armalite AR180 back 20 plus years ago, but it's been gone a long time. But today's little black rifle sure is taking on that evil aura about it....I can forsee Dead hogs.... Dead coyotes.... Splattered armadillos! All from this little carbine.

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Old Ranger wrote:

Joe, I think they're pulling your leg when they tell ya that! And when I
can get bigger ones, I will.


I figured they had no clue. Like you, I couldn't get them to shoot
either.   Best group was probably twice the size of the 75 gr bullets.

Wade, I no longer reload .223, so I'll see what I have in heavy bullets.   
If any are left they're yours.

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This is what you need to try. Check your private messages Wade.




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Posted: October 13 2017 at 6:57pm | IP Logged Quote M700

That is a terrific bullet in the 5.56/223 AR-15...

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PM sent.

My granddaughter and I both thank you for your generosity and can guarantee we'll shoot straight!

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