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Posted: October 31 2017 at 9:42am | IP Logged Quote RT58

Wade, the auto industry doesn't work with this method. The cheaper they make a car the more expensive it is. I did hear car makers are planning on doing away with spare tires and jacks though,since everyone carries a cell phone now they can call roadside service to repair it. Not to mention making a little more profit for car makers.

I don't consider myself a gun snob, but I do appreciate a well made firearm. With the exception of wartime production guns you can usually tell what is inside a gun by what you see on the outside. That is not to say a cheaply made gun will not shoot accurately as I have several Jennings/Bryco pistols that are very accurate. They are not my first choice for a self defense handgun, but I have used them as back-ups. But regardless of how well a gun shoots, it is what it is.
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I am just an Old School guy that likes blued steel and nice wood. Plastic does nothing for me. Can a nicely wood stocked blued steel rifle even be purchased without going to a custom house anymore?

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I like blued steel and wood too, but most of my precision rifles have composite stocks on them. Not all "plastic" stocks are the same, there are good quality composites and then there are the cheap plastics. The cheap stocks and flat black finishes I see on new rifles are pretty sad and don't get my attention at all.
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RT58 wrote:
I like blued steel and wood too, but most of my
precision rifles have composite stocks on them. Not all "plastic"
stocks are the same, there are good quality composites and then
there are the cheap plastics. The cheap stocks and flat black
finishes I see on new rifles are pretty sad and don't get my attention
at all.


Me too, I like wood but my synthetic stocked rifles is where the
accuracy is. Anything I have in wood requires a trip to my gunsmith.   

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Well I was in the business for quite a while and saw the
composite stocks and investment casting taking over from
forging and cut checkered stocks. It's called progress.
Rain or shine, hot or cold, those new rifles with their
twin piller posts and dual mounts will always be true.
I'd sure would have used one in the S. E. Asian wargames
instead of that pre-64 M70. I worked like mad to
weatherproof that weapon. Glass bedding, sanded and
painted, sure wasn't pretty when done either. If the
Marlin I have now was available then, I'd have used it
instead.

And when I get some cash together, I'm going to Academy
and buy me an Axis in .243Win. and that's a fact!

Edited by Old Ranger on November 01 2017 at 1:31pm


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You'll like it Wade.
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Wade, I don't know if it's "progress" as much as it is "business". It seems the majority of gun buyers now want "tactical" everything and that is flat, dark metal with plastic stocks. It was a manufacturers dream, why put expensive wood and a highly polished blue job on a firearm that as soon as it's sold will get a new plastic stock and a paint job? I'm sure most of them get that still, but it makes it a lot cheaper for the manufacturers to send them out the door.

And investment casting replacing forging, that was nothing but a move for higher profits. When my life is on the line I'd take the forgings every time, even though it means buying used.
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I like nice wood and blued steel as much as anybody. Got some nice rifles in the safe. These plastic stock rifles are quality rifles at a good price, whats not to like. And when I hit a prarie dog town my life is not on the line
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safari100 wrote:
I am just an Old School guy that likes blued steel and nice wood. Plastic does nothing for me. Can a nicely wood stocked blued steel rifle even be purchased without going to a custom house anymore?


Oh, absolutely! I've seen some Winchester Model 70 rifles in the past couple of years that wore very nice walnut stocks and had a great blue finish! Particularly their "Super Grade" Model 70's, but I've seen some very nice sporter & featherweight models in recent years.

Likewise Kimber. Come to think of it, not sure they offer a high-polished blue, but their wood stocked rifles are sure nice. I've seen some in stores that looked just as good as the one in their advertisement:

Kimber Rifles

Remington does "okay" with their 700 BDL & CDL rifles. Nothing exceptional, but decent walnut. The CDL rifles do have a matte finish, which looks good to me and is pretty durable.

Ruger seems to build a decent firearm with their cast receivers and very good barrels currently. Walnut that I've seen on them in the past few years is mostly unremarkable, but adequate. Not really what I like to see if a fellow has to pay what they're asking for a new Number One though.

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I replaced the plastic stocks on the Stevens 25-06 and the Weatherby 340. Have no regrets. Next thing some one will tell me to put plastic on my M1 Garand!
Never happen.....

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Posted: November 04 2017 at 1:57pm | IP Logged Quote RT58

The nicest looking rifle I've ever owned was a Smith and Wesson model 1500, built by Howa in Japan. Metal was highly polished and had a deep rich bluing. I'm not a wood expert but the stock wasn't walnut, it was a lighter color with a nice grain pattern and had a high gloss finish. It looked like it belonged in a museum...and I treated it that way too, I learned to look for uglier rifles and more than half of the ones I own now were bought used.

STCM(SW) Is right, some weapons just don't look right with plastic stocks. When I replaced the idiot-designed stock on my AK I thought about going with plastic, but looking at pictures of some on the internet convinced me not to. I do have one on my SKS, but compared to the wook stock that was on it anything was an improvement.
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