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Posted: October 14 2017 at 5:40pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

The American Rifleman has a short, and thin write p on it this month. I have to admit to this intriguing me. A short, handy rifle in such a caliber would work very well for how I hunt anymore and I Have quite a few .45 pistol molds, though none much heavier than 255 grains. Seems like for a caster, this would be seriously cheap to shoot.

My recent experience packing a light, handy .45-70 has me convinced those ballistics are plenty for what I do. In fact, the load I used trailed the factory .450 Bushmaster loadings the article listed by quite a bit ballistics wise.

Anyone have experience with the .450 Bushmaster? I have ZERO interest in ever owning an AR, they simply don't interest me, but a lot of the cartridges and other things they have spawned are certainly noteworthy.

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Posted: October 17 2017 at 9:03am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Rich, guess no one is gonna talk to ya about this caliber as most of us are not into non-standard loads. Me included... But I spoke with my amigos at the shop in town yesterday about it. The take on it was that it's original design was to make a big bore hog killer round that they could run through an autoloader in conventional AR15 actions. I know here in East Texas, hogs are running out of control. We shoot 'em to bits all the time. The general idea I was told was that people (and manufactures) wanted something bigger to shoot hogs with in their little black rifles.

My take on it is that it's a "Fad Round" made to get more cash outta the shooting public from the most popular long gun in the country today. Have you noticed all the different hybred loads created and stuffed into an M16 variant? Over a dozen that I've seen and likely more out there I don't know about. If it were me wanting a light .45 cal carbine, I'd get a Rossi M92 in .45Colt. or load the .45-70 with light loads with .457" pistol bullets. I used to load 454424 Ideal bullets unsized in my Marlin 45-70 with a moderate dose of Unique for an accurate load with the 255gr SWC. Would smack hogs real good too!

But good luck with your quest!

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Posted: October 17 2017 at 11:28am | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

I like oddball calibers myself. I even looked at getting the Gunsite Scout in 450. Okay, to be truthful, the wife actually wanted it. The main issue I have personally is that it uses .452 bullets, rather than .458. If I cast, I don't think it would be such a big deal. However, as I do not, I think I would prefer the larger diameter and the wide variety of heavy bullets for the 45-70.

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Sounds like you describe the.45-70, no?
Maybe it's just me, but I think half of the rounds "developed" recently are new packages of the same ballistics with the sole intent of selling a "new round" and the weapon for it. Course now, that's just me thinkin.

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Posted: October 17 2017 at 2:35pm | IP Logged Quote nhblaze

Like one of the new Nosler
or Creedmoor calibers, reinventing the wheel.

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Posted: October 17 2017 at 3:38pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Old Ranger wrote:
Sounds like you describe the.45-70, no?
Maybe it's just me, but I think half of the rounds "developed" recently are new packages of the same ballistics with the sole intent of selling a "new round" and the weapon for it. Course now, that's just me thinkin.


Right on the nose, Wade. Is there a reason they can't just make it in 45-70? Come to think of it, wouldn't it be easier engineering? Headspacing on the rim, rather than the case mouth? Either way, a shot bolt action in 45-70 would be one heck of a handy tool. Also, they made the .458 SOCOM with, uh, .458 bullets. Could have chambered it in that. Just a thought.

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Posted: October 17 2017 at 4:31pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

The beauty of the .452 bullets is that I have a few four and six cavity molds for the .45 Colt already. I have no interest in hitting 2100 FPS with a 260 grain bullet like the factory stuff does. But loaded to heavy .45 Colt loadings or a bit more would do all my deer hunting chores in a 5 lb rifle. I'd have to figure out how to mount some XS Ghost ring sights on it though. A scope would be stupid on such a rifle.

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Posted: October 17 2017 at 4:57pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Right with you Rich. As I said, if I cast, it would not be as big a deal. Still think a 45-70 bolt would be really great.

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Seems like Gibbs made up and imported such a rifle built on SMLE actions a few years ago.

Truthfully, that little H&R reloads about as fast as I can cycle a bolt action. Maybe I should just stick with it.

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Posted: October 17 2017 at 5:22pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

richhodg66 wrote:
Seems like Gibbs made up and imported such a rifle built on SMLE actions a few years ago.

Truthfully, that little H&R reloads about as fast as I can cycle a bolt action. Maybe I should just stick with it.


WOW! Okay, okay, I'm officially in lust. I think I'm going to have to find one.

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Posted: October 17 2017 at 5:48pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

http://www.gibbsrifle.com/sport_speciality_.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReN3FLrHbRY

http://www.chuckhawks.com/gibbs_summit.htm

Something that might actually be more practical would be to look into a bolt gun in .450 Marlin. As I understand it, Marlin, knowing that guys who handload were hot rodding the .45-70 in their lever guns, introduced it as a hot rodded .45-70 for guys who didn't handload. As near as I can tell, it's a belted case same head size as all the other belted magnum. Seems like any old beater 7mm Mag could be rebarrelled or rebored and you'd likely have the added benefit of a long action that would allow more options for bullet seating and overall length.

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