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Posted: October 20 2017 at 5:31pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Took my new Taylor custom 357 out to the range today and thought i'd see what kind of spreads she gave me across all of my different loads.... she did dandy, similar grouping, nothing super high or low or to one side from everything from 200gr to 105 grain... but when i loaded her with my little 67gr 000 loads with 2gr of bullseye there was just a very distinct "put" sound and no impact... pulled the cylinder and sure enough i had my first squib load... bullet was about halfway down the barrel... punched it out and tried another... same thing thing but this one almost made it out... from my wifes sp101 these little rabit boppers chronographed about 500fps... out of the taylor uberti they didn't make it out of the barrel.

looks like that load is headed for the graveyard... anyone ever see this before... shoots as desired from one gun and squibs in another?

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Posted: October 21 2017 at 10:48am | IP Logged Quote mikld

Understandable. One barrel many differ slightly in groove/bore
diameter and exert more friction and bore finish can contribute
also. Perhaps cylinder gap would make a difference too...

I have 3, 9mm pistols and each will give a different velocity
reading with identical handloads, my LC9s w/3.10" bbl will give
a slightly higher velocity, between 80 and 100 fps, than my
Tokerev w/5" bbl. (same groove diameter of .356").

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Posted: October 22 2017 at 8:57am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yup, seen it now and then. Called loaded to light.
It's a mistake to try to turn your firearms into pellet guns. The opposite end of the spectrum is of course, loaded too heavy wrecking the weapon. My advice, and you can disregard it if you wish, is load within the parameters of the manuals. Surprisingly, you can't go wrong. But what the hell do I know, I've only been loading for 56 years and just a rookie.

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I agree with Wade, stay within the limits of the manuals and you'll be
better for it. 2 gr of Bullseye is to light.

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Posted: October 22 2017 at 2:07pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Up side of a too little powder is that worst that happens is a squib load... as long as you are looking for it no real danger... I think the first batch i did of these i used small magnum primers and this batch was non-magnum small pistol primers... with such a small load that may have been all the difference... i really need to keep a log book. Have a bunch of double stuffed 000 loads made up with 3gr bullseye... next time i go to the range I'll see how they do out of the Uberti and up the single ball load to 4gr. It is nice to have a low power load for small game.
... i do believe it was you wade who suggested the 3gr of bullseye under the two 000 balls... most of my loads are within manual specs... but fun to play with the ends of the spectrum within safe bounds occasionally too.
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Posted: October 22 2017 at 2:31pm | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

Atavist wrote:
anyone ever see this before... shoots as desired from one gun and squibs in another?


What works in one firearm may not work in another, regardless of barrel length and load. Someone less alert than you may have had serious problems.

I read a story once where an UZI was returned to the home office because of a plugged barrel. The lab analyst sectioned the barrel and found 11 slugs stacked inside.

Someone wasn't paying attention!


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Posted: October 22 2017 at 2:38pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Holy moly... is that possible without
something destructive happening?
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Posted: October 22 2017 at 3:50pm | IP Logged Quote joed

What scares me is times when I go to the range and someone is
shooting as fast as they can.   All they need is 1 squib and they
would drop that type of shooting quickly.   

I'm a firm believer in slow controlled fire. If I had to shoot fast for
something I'll be ready but till then slow and deliberate.

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Yes it is possible. A gunsmith showed me the split barrel of a Dan Wesson .357 mag revolver. The fellow had a squib load jam a jacketed bullet in the barrel, then followed it up with three more before the barrel burst...

Squib loads are dangerous.

Winter before last, a fellow had a .44 mag squib. The bullet lodged at the barrel/cylinder junction and prevented the cylinder from opening. That particular squib load was a real pain to fix!

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Posted: October 22 2017 at 3:54pm | IP Logged Quote joed

I think someone I used to shoot with used 3.0 gr of bullseye with
lead 158 gr bullets.   I think a 5 yr old could have shot that gun with
no ill effects.

You don't want to do this with jacketed bullets as I've seen warnings
about that being a good chance of a squib.

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Check this out...
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M700 wrote:
Yes it is possible. A gunsmith showed me the split barrel of a Dan Wesson .357 mag revolver. The fellow had a squib load jam a jacketed bullet in the barrel, then followed it up with three more before the barrel burst...

Squib loads are dangerous.

Winter before last, a fellow had a .44 mag squib. The bullet lodged at the barrel/cylinder junction and prevented the cylinder from opening. That particular squib load was a real pain to fix!

Guy


crazy... I can't imagine why a person would keep pulling the trigger after a squib load... the ones i got at least were very obvious from the sound and feel.   I suppose maybe all squibs aren't created equal.
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joed wrote:
I think someone I used to shoot with used 3.0 gr of bullseye with
lead 158 gr bullets.   I think a 5 yr old could have shot that gun with
no ill effects.

You don't want to do this with jacketed bullets as I've seen warnings
about that being a good chance of a squib.


when i do the 2ct of 000 shot on top of each other with 3gr bullseye i was getting about 800fps with a 1 inch spread (between the two balls) at 15yrds, pretty handy self defense round. seemed perfectly reliable from the SP101... we'll see how they act in the uberti...
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Round ball loads have been in use for a very long time and Remington even offered factory "Multi-ball" ammo.

Just in case you don't know, the term "squib-load" was originally used to describe loads using light charges of fast burning powder and very light bullets.

Modern reloading manuals are great for the vast number of people looking for maximum loads but aren't good for much more. Most of their data sections don't include much in the way of specialty loads and their informational text isn't even considered "introductory" for learning the hobby.

Handloading was a way to tailor ammo to your firearm for your intended purpose and even in this day of "modern technology" you can't find everything you might want. It only sells if it's popular and it's only made if it sells.

If your wife likes the 2 gr. of Bullseye load you don't need to scrap it. Just make sure it's clearly identified so it doesn't find it's way into your revolver. or you can increase the powder load to the point where it works in yours and see if your wife likes it too. That what handloading is all about.
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Posted: October 23 2017 at 10:08am | IP Logged Quote mikld

If you don't know about squibs, you won't look for them. Not all
"rounds after a squib" will blow up a barrel and I've seen pics of
a 38 Spec. barrel sectioned and 5 or 6 bullets jammed together.
I had a squib in 1970 and it taught me two things; always look in
the case before a bullet is seated and always bring a "range
rod" whenever I go shootin'...

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Them Squibs can be wreck your day!

I remember back in the 90's when Cowboy Action was all
the rage. No issue with what floats your boat... But
never could see "dress-in" up and quoting John Wayne
"Well Partner" to go shooting.

Anyway, just like any other sport, the games-men started
to rule the events. The serious competitor started
shooting 38's instead of large bore 45's. Since
speed/recoil is the decided factor, lite loads were/are
the rage. I talking cast 125 at 400 fps pellet gun
speed. I had a friend that competed (45 Colt 255g/40 g
Black). I would go watch him from time to time. We use
to laugh at the gamers with there BB loads. A 125 from a
6 in Vaquero at 400 fps sounded like a BB gun. You
could actually watch the bullet all the way to the steel
targets and bounce off and hit the ground.

The point... squibs were common place. These guys were
thumb cocking as fast as they could. At one match, I saw
my first K-Boom. I have no doubt it was a bore
obstruction squib load. Scary Stuff.
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I remember reading a warning in the reloading books
years back about the dangers of "detonation" involving
light loads?
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Can't give any info on squib loads but would like to
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RB in GA wrote:
The point... squibs were common place. These guys were
thumb cocking as fast as they could. At one match, I saw
my first K-Boom. I have no doubt it was a bore
obstruction squib load. Scary Stuff.


Are you sure it wasn't a double charge?
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30Herrett wrote:
I remember reading a warning in the reloading books
years back about the dangers of "detonation" involving
light loads?


Detonation occurs when using light charges of very slow burning rifle powders. Squibs are safe as long as you do them right.
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