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Posted: October 21 2017 at 10:53am | IP Logged Quote res45

Picked up a new NOE TL452-230-RF-RG2 mold a while back
an recently cast up a batch of HP's to try out in my HI
Point 45 ACP carbine. The HP's drop right at 220 grs.
an the mold comes with FN as well as cup point pins.

Since I planned on PC'ing the bullets I just went with
the TL design and the mold was on sale as well which
didn't hurt.

Some of the batch as cast from 50/50 Lead/WW's


After PC'ing them.


One of my test targets at 30 yds. has to make a minor
adjustment on POA as the Red Dot was set up for my Lee
200 gr. SWC's


Just for conversation here are my Lee 452 SWC's PC'ed


A usual group I got out of the carbine with the SWC.


THe HP's feed with no issues,next I want to cast up some
of the RNFP as well as the cup points and see how they
do probably want be much difference just a bit of drop
to compensate for.

Edited by res45 on October 21 2017 at 7:12pm
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Posted: October 21 2017 at 11:14am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Holy crap, that's a big, cavernous hollow point! That thing oughta hurt whatever it hits. Should make a great self defense bullet.

I have no experience with powder coating, but it seems to be working well for you. You just gotta love NOE molds. I have several of their rifle bullet molds and they cast like a dream. Funny how for just a little more money than a Lyman or RCBS, you get a bigger selection of designs and an easier mold to cast with.

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Posted: October 21 2017 at 4:01pm | IP Logged Quote RECURVE

Res45 do size before coating or after?
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Posted: October 21 2017 at 7:00pm | IP Logged Quote res45

RECURVE wrote:
Res45 do size before coating or after?


I always size my bullets after coating. The coating is
very slick and they go through the push through sizer
very easy. In most instances I'm only sizing them about
.001" down sometimes .002" but no more than that.

I haven't done any expansion test as of yet but that's
coming later,It's pretty much the same alloy I use in my
38+P HP loads using my NOE 158 gr. HP Ray Thompson clone
mold I have and they expand well at about 150 fps. less
than the 45's are going.

I mostly just wanted to see how well the cycles and shot
accuracy wise. They pretty have the same nose profile as
the Federal 45 HST 230 gr. HP ammo I keep around.

Edited by res45 on October 22 2017 at 3:11am
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Posted: October 21 2017 at 7:06pm | IP Logged Quote res45

richhodg66 wrote:
Holy crap, that's a big, cavernous
hollow point! That thing oughta hurt whatever it hits.
Should make a great self defense bullet.

I have no experience with powder coating, but it seems
to be working well for you. You just gotta love NOE
molds. I have several of their rifle bullet molds and
they cast like a dream. Funny how for just a little
more money than a Lyman or RCBS, you get a bigger
selection of designs and an easier mold to cast with.


That pretty much why I got that particular mold,the FP
and cup point design should be hard hitters as well
especially at just over 1K fps. out of the carbine.

I love my NOE molds I usually buy myself one every year
so I'm up to five now both rifle and pistol. I also have
around 14 Lee molds in both rifle and pistol and a
couple old Lyman pistol molds and a new Accurate mold I
had Tom cut for me that cast a .316" 215 gr. FN bullet
for my Mosin rifles.

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Posted: October 31 2017 at 6:04am | IP Logged Quote JimH

Those are some good shooting bullets.

I've been loading some similar 255 gr bullets from GT bullets that they cast 96-4-4 (lead, tin, antimony) and I suspect it is only a tiny bit softer than yours.

I've had them expand in wet newsprint down to 694 fps and while they expand bigger at 1100 fps they do not come unglued.

They also do not leave chunks of lead in the bore at 1100 - so far I'm pleased but I have not found that perfect load yet.

Looks like you are onto something there!

Jim H.

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Posted: November 01 2017 at 6:49pm | IP Logged Quote res45

JimH wrote:
Those are some good shooting bullets.

I've been loading some similar 255 gr bullets from GT
bullets that they cast 96-4-4 (lead, tin, antimony) and
I suspect it is only a tiny bit softer than yours.

I've had them expand in wet newsprint down to 694 fps
and while they expand bigger at 1100 fps they do not
come unglued.

They also do not leave chunks of lead in the bore at
1100 - so far I'm pleased but I have not found that
perfect load yet.

Looks like you are onto something there!

Jim H.


Sometimes I get lucky right off the bat without having
to do much load testing. I do lots of research oh how a
particular cast bullet an loads preforms for others in a
similar firearm before I buy the mold an I've always had
good luck with Power Pistol in 45 and 9mm loads. I have
some CFE pistol I want to try out next but that might be
awhile before I can get around to working with that.

I have a 215 gr. .314" FP bullet I'll be testing out
this weekend hopefully that I had Tom over at Accurate
Molds cut me to fit the throat of my 1933 HEX 91/30
rifle. It shoots great with the Lee 160 and 185 gr. RN
bullets but I wanted a bullet with a bit more heft and
punch for hunting purposes.


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Posted: November 03 2017 at 3:15pm | IP Logged Quote beerd

Now that ^^^ is a good looking bullet/cartridge combination.
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Posted: November 08 2017 at 9:09pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

them sure is some purdy boolets... Makes me want to start casting... what exactly does the powder coat do?
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Posted: November 11 2017 at 7:20am | IP Logged Quote res45

Atavist wrote:
them sure is some purdy boolets...
Makes me want to start casting... what exactly does the
powder coat do?


It does or will do several things actually. First it's
basically a different type of lube that can be used in
place of the Lee Alox tumble lube or in many cases it
can replace the tradition types of lube used in
lubsizers. It also allow for better long term storage
of bullets in less than ideal conditions such as heat or
cold because the PC coating once cured bonds to the lead
and isn't affected by temperature. Also the coated
bullet leaves your reloading dies and hands clean after
handling. The coating can also add a bit of diameter to
the bullets as well in case you have one that is
borderline on fitting properly.

Although the cost which isn't really that bad the powder
being anywhere from $9 to $20 per pound it will go a
long ways. I've coated several thousand bullets with a
lb. of powder.

Basically all you will need a plastic bowl with a snap
or screw on lid of some sort,I use a old cool whip bowl
or pint containers and use the shake an bake
method,other will just put there powder an bullets in a
vibratory tumbler and let it run till there coated.

Some people use plastic air soft beads mixed in with the
powder,I've done it with an without and can't tell much
of a difference. An environment with low humidity that
helps create static electricity is your friend when it
comes to coating bullets. When I can't do it out in the
shop on hot an humid days I coat them in the house an
toast them out on the back porch.

You will need a toaster over. You can buy a new one
fairly cheap or see if you can pick a used one up at a
local thrift store for a few dollars. People bake the
bullets in different way but I line my toaster tray with
non stick aluminum foil and stand my bullets up on the
base using a pair of large tweezers,it's slower but I
like the results I get.

As to powder many use the Harbor Freight powders Red
works best for shake and bake followed by the Yellow.
The HF Blacks seem to work much better if it's sprayed
on with an ES ie Electro Static Gun gun as will the Red
an Yellow the HF white is pretty much useless for PCing
bullets.

There are many companies online that sell powder coat by
the pound or in smaller quanities usually 8 oz. jars or
you can get it form Smoke over at Cast Boolits
http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...raying-bullets He
has good powder,prices and shipping,it's where I get my
powders.

All my coated bullets are baked at 400 degrees for 20
min. if you buy online from a mfg. they will state what
temp and time to bake there powders at for it to cure
properly. It's a good idea to preheat your over before
putting the bullets in an use a oven thermometer to
verify your oven temperature.

Also of note if you water quench your bullets straight
from the mold to increase the BHN before coating the PC
curing process with negate the first water quenching so
you will need to requench them after removing them from
the toaster oven even then they still want reach a final
BHN as close to the original quenched BHN but it will be
fairly close an they will harden somewhat more over
time.

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Posted: November 11 2017 at 3:56pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Awesome! .. thanks for the great info Res45. Am going to cut paste all that away to keep in case i decide to get into casting.
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Posted: November 12 2017 at 10:15am | IP Logged Quote res45

Here of the cup points of the same bullet I cast up and
coated yesterday. I have some FN pins for the mold as
well.

Coated ready to put in the toaster oven to cure.


Finished bullets ready to load. 225 grs.
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Nice!
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Have you mixed any powders? The ones I have mixed come
out better than I expected
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RECURVE wrote:
Have you mixed any powders? The ones I
have mixed come
out better than I expected


I did at first when I only had a few powders but since I
have access to all the colors I desire I don't mess much
with mixing.

I'm actually trying to weed out some colors and just
have a few standards colors like
Yellow/Green,Orange,Red,or clear and the OD Green I got
at the local shop. The darn stuff just goes so far I
probably coated several thousand bullets from 1/4 lb.
bags and I still have plenty.

Here are a few I did one day when I was bored.
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Looks good I'd like to get some OD green to try
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