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Posted: October 24 2017 at 6:22pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

Rifle: 700 Remington Sporter 24" barrel. 30-06.

I have two bullets to load. Hornady: 178 A-Max & Sierra
180 HPBT Match.

I like IMR-4350 & H-4831 but have a few others. If you
were to work up accurate loads for these bullets which
powder would you use??

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Posted: October 24 2017 at 6:41pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

My experience 4350 seems to deliver better accuracy than 4831, but neither
will match H 414.
How's that for a little help

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I've also found IMR4350 to give better accuracy and velocity then
H4831.   

That is why I have a lot of the 4350 but none of the 4831 on hand.

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Posted: October 24 2017 at 6:47pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

Ranch 13 wrote:
My experience 4350 seems to deliver
better accuracy than 4831, but neither
will match H 414.
How's that for a little help


Great. I shoot mostly 4350 but have used 760 in the past.


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Posted: October 24 2017 at 7:02pm | IP Logged Quote STCM(SW)

I also have had better results with IMR 4350 in several rounds.
Then again I go for top loads for some reason....
Old man with lot's of time on hand it look's like......

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Weird part is I have gotten away from IMR4350 and H4831.    I now
use RL19 because I can get an extra 200 fps over the IMR and
Hodgdon with even better accuracy.

Still haven't found a downside to RL19 but I suspect there is one.   
I'm a believer in "You don't get something for nothing".

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Posted: October 25 2017 at 1:08pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

I never found H414/760 locally years ago so I just never tried that powder, but it always showed up in the preferred load sections of a lot of gun rags over the years.

IMR and Hodgdon powders were available locally so I settled on IMR 4350 for the 30-06 and IMR or the H-4831 for the 270 Win. The smaller 27 cal. bore seemed to like the slower powders and I also used IMR 4831 in my 243 Win., especially with the heavier bullets even though it was normally a compressed load.

Until probably 10-15 years ago, I had never tried any of the Reloder rifle powders. I was impressed with the ones that I have tried. I would not want to be without RL-15 for sure. I use it in many calibers from my longer heavy weight .223 loads and up to and including my Mosin-Nagants. Likely RL-19 or perhaps the new RL-17 would be better in the 30-06 of course.

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How accurate are you trying to get?

I'd try everything you have that is suggested for the .30-06, along with any you don't that are listed in manuals with high loading density or recommended for accuracy.

At least that's what I do.
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RT58 wrote:
How accurate are you trying to get?

I'd try everything you have that is suggested for the .30-06, along
with any you don't that are listed in manuals with high loading
density or recommended for accuracy.

At least that's what I do.


Nosler shows IMR4350 at 94% density and most accurate charge
at 56.5 gr for a vel of 2734.

H4831 as I expected is most accurate at 60.0 gr for 2683 fps and
98%.

Reason I never liked H4831 is it's accuracy seems to come at
lower charges, not so with IMR4350.   At least in the cartridges I
load.    The .300 H&H mag is an exception.

I'm not a fan of spherical powders, I don't even see that one in my
book for the weight you're using, although Hodgdon shows it.   I
used spherical for awhile till I noticed it's temp sensitive.   



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I haven't reloaded or shot the 30-06 in a long time and
don't even own one anymore (switched to the 308).

But when I did reload for it IMR 4350 behind a 165 grain
bullet was a sub moa combination for me in my Rem 700.
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I've used my "standard" load of H4350 with 165's for a long time with the 30-06 cartridge.

Last fall I took it to the field, and with Nosler Ballistic Tip bullets:

Black bear at 325 yards
Antelope at 245 yards
Mule deer at 140 yards
Elk at 338 yards

I'd say it was accurate and powerful enough. Did a very fine job on all those different game animals at various ranges. IMR 4350 used to be my choice, and is likely just as good as the H4350 version.

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Tested some 180 gr bullets with it as well, and again it produced excellent results, up to 2800 fps with the 24" Remington barrel and good accuracy.

Ended up using H4350 & 200 gr Nosler Partitions with EXCELLENT accuracy at a tad over 2600 fps, for my grizzly & wolf hunt last spring. That load really impressed me with how easy it was to shoot, and how accurate it was. Then it dropped two pretty cool game animals. I like the load.

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I use H4350. I tested both H4350 and H4831 and found 4350 more accurate with better velocity. Seems to me with 150 to 180 grs bullets 4831 is a bit too slow. Perhaps heavier bullets would be better with 4831.

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Posted: October 27 2017 at 6:58pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

My first centerfire rifle was a 70 Winchester 30-06.
H4831 shot pretty good with 180 grain Speer bullet. The
charge was 60 grains. I do like IMR 4350 better though. I
used it for 150 & 165 grain bullets with very good
accuracy.

These are the first target bullets I've shot in this
rifle. I used mostly cheap stuff for my bulk shooting but
decided the little rifle does well enough that maybe some
good bullets might be worthwhile. Any way the first round
of test loads are loaded & I hope to try them next week.

I've had several people suggest 4064 for these bullets &
while they aren't earth burning loads they claim fine
accuracy.

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I know this does not answer your question but I load Varget under 180 gr. hdy interlocks for practice and A-Frames to hunt with(a standard 2750 fps load). I like Varget because it is not temp sensitive and I hunt in warm/hot temps on a regular basis.


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safari100 wrote:
I know this does not answer your
question but I load Varget under 180 gr. hdy interlocks
for practice and A-Frames to hunt with(a standard 2750 fps
load). I like Varget because it is not temp sensitive and
I hunt in warm/hot temps on a regular basis.


Thanks for the info.

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